Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

If we are Little Monsters joined here by the love of Gaga who fights against hate, Why don't you spread love? Try to understand the other side, try to open your minds and their minds, your ears and hearts. Nothing is black and white in this conflict, it's a whole lot of grey for so many years and in the end the little people that their voice isn't even heard pay the price on both sides (by being victims of politics and agendas of the people who are in power and agendas that has nothing to do with them).

Everyone here wants the people of Gaza to have a good life and they can, Gaza could be a beautiful tourist attraction one day and not a terrorist attraction.

Spreading hate against Israel won't really help, and mind you, there's as much hate to Israel&Jews in the world as there is to Arabs&Muslims these days. It's a shame that instead of fighting racism together we just make it worse by spreading more hate to the other side, it seems that it's so easy and tempting to hate others and blame them than look within and ask yourself what are we doing wrong? What is the other side right about? How can we make it better? Where is my hate coming from and what does it help me as it only blinds me?

War is a bad thing, that's the only sure thing. People get hurt in wars (In the past there was no internet to see how bad wars are, and most nations don't use pictures of bodies as a way to win public support, that isn't respectful to human life, but well, cultures are different and as they sadly say, all is fair in love and war... for the side you support, that is, and I'm talking about both sides of war, as both are always sure they are just and right. Mind you, it doesn't matter if the pictures are staged or not, people get hurt and were hurt and died, you don't need gory pictures to know that or understand that or to feel pain about it and cry for the loss of all human life wherever in the world), there are no winners in wars, only losers. That doesn't mean there is an easy magical solution, it is complicated, but it's always darkest before the dawn, so maybe we can be hopeful that a new dawn is near. As for Israel & Palestinians, they will have to learn to live together at some point with the hope it doesn't take a hundred years (like it took with allot of other nations in the world. People forgot that the whole world was in wars for centuries upon centuries, it's the growing pains of evolving societies and sadly seems that it's a nasty part of human nature). And about the problem of Terror, it should be fought everywhere, but fighting them with guns is just a painkiller to the headache, they should be fought early on with education (Same as bullying in a way).

P.S: I want to say that it's still nice that people here are having this conversation even if some use it just to try and "prove" their points and not really for conversation and debating sake. The fact the whole world is talking about it is good, as for years no one really knew or cared about what's going on, with the hope that even after this is over people around the world will still care for the people living in Gaza and will look after them and keep an eye on what's going on there and that the aid money is really going to them and to make sure they have the proper life they all deserve.

I think the most important thing is to try and listen, to stop dehumanizing the other side and to know that there are always things you don't fully understand. Nothing is absolute truth in the world, smart people should doubt everything. and it's better to be smart than to be "right" (and to post all sorts of stuff from the internet that the other side tries to dismiss&denounce and so on back and forth. You should know by now that nothing these days is full proof fact (We see it with things written about Gaga all the time) people should judge what they see and not believe everything they see just cause it supports what they already believe in, if so, what's the point? That's believing, that's not really knowing anything.

“If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.†Rene Descartes

IF WE CAN DO IT, IF WE CAN LISTEN (READ), TALK (WRITE), UNDERSTAND (OR AT LEAST TRY) AND MAKE PEACE (EVERYONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE IN PEACE), MAYBE THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN TOO (ONE DAY)

LITTLE MONSTERS UNITE!

Just a thought about this whole never ending never changing debate: Think about it like this, as this is Gaga Daily, though what I'm about to say is a thousand times different, it's like us fans having debates with people that hate Gaga or with Britney or Katy Perry fans. People that hate Gaga sadly won't start to love her because you show them an amazing performance by her or an amazing outfit and what's the point in trying to convince Katy Perry fans she is copying Gaga or Britney fans that she doesn't sing live, And it will always make us angry and mad when people post bad things about Gaga from the internet or some review from somewhere saying she's ****, when we know with all our hearts it's not true, it can't be true, she's Gaga!... I guess it will never change cause cause that's what people do and will always do, but we can dream, it's our duty to dream. oh well, just a thought as after all this is a Lady Gaga fan base forum.

That's what I try to tell them. To spread love instead of hate towards Israel.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

They don't want to admit here, but they are not humans to them. They are not on the same level.

On Israeli radio they forbade activists from reading names of dead Palestinian children, while now there is one child victim on their side with full name, age and photo being retweeted from idf and pro-zionist accounts.

Don't think you know better than anyone and don't put words into our mouthes again. We never said that they are not human, you are the only one who says that all the time. Why should we read names on the radio of dead Gazans? It's an Israeli radio, not a Gazan radio. Why don't Hamas reads names of dead people in Gaza?

We retweet the photo because we are sad and loving. Hamas tweets that photo because he is hating and trying to make other people hate.

 

Again, STOP put words into my mouth, next time I'll report!

If you really think he was waiting for you to answer "don't put words in my mouth", you're sadly mistaken ;)

Pallywood? you mean all those people are not really dead? they are professional actors? all those destroyed buildings are done with 3D effects?

I can't remember where I read it, but 1 Israelis equals like 1000  Palestinians

Well then have some respect for the innocent people who died in Gaza, and STOP calling it pallywood.

I mean that most of the photos you see online are fake. 

[Pandemiya 61]

That's what I try to tell them. To spread love instead of hate towards Israel.

You do, but then you get attacked saying "propaganda!!111" "no compassion!11" smh.

 

Just a thought about this whole never ending never changing debate: Think about it like this, as this is Gaga Daily, though what I'm about to say is a thousand times different, it's like us fans having debates with people that hate Gaga or with Britney or Katy Perry fans. People that hate Gaga sadly won't start to love her because you show them an amazing performance by her or an amazing outfit and what's the point in trying to convince Katy Perry fans she is copying Gaga or Britney fans that she doesn't sing live, And it will always make us angry and mad when people post bad things about Gaga from the internet or some review from somewhere saying she's ****, when we know with all our hearts it's not true, it can't be true, she's Gaga!... I guess it will never change cause cause that's what people do and will always do, but we can dream, it's our duty to dream. oh well, just a thought as after all this is a Lady Gaga fan base forum.

You're completely right. There's just some people here who won't stop spreading hatred.

[Zilla 13,451]

How many fights will happen in this thread?

It's called RESPECT. Sure you might not like the "other side" but every freaking day there's some kind of argument going on. If it doesn't stop, consider this thread closed indefinitely.

[TiphEret 1,320]

I came on this thread to have information on the conflict as the title was called "discussion" but clearly this is a mess. I know it's a sensitive topic I am sorry for anybody who has relatives involved but can we stick to facts and let thungs that can't be proven, aren't certain out of this as it will bring more problem than solution...

 

I have been to Israel, I also went to the West bank, I love both places it was incredible to go there and all the people I met where amazing but what is going on now can't happen again and again, soon they will be nobody left to die..

[lego 44,165]

Don't think you know better than anyone and don't put words into our mouthes again. We never said that they are not human, you are the only one who says that all the time. Why should we read names on the radio of dead Gazans? It's an Israeli radio, not a Gazan radio. Why don't Hamas reads names of dead people in Gaza?

We retweet the photo because we are sad and loving. Hamas tweets that photo because he is hating and trying to make other people hate.

 

Again, STOP put words into my mouth, next time I'll report!

I don't really care if you report, you are the one who is all the time breaking the rules by spamming, quoting yourself and others hundred times without any added comment etc.

I didn't put words in your mouth, if I did I would say ''he said they're not humans", but I didn't say that.  Read carefully. I said what I believe to be truth and what shows from your own posts, what is understood from your own writing. You ignore people's questions ALL the time, and then you show lack of respect for the dead by repeating ''most are fake'' without ANY evidence.

Why to say names on radio? Because Israeli activists wanted to show to common folk what their government is doing and that war is not all watching fireworks from the hill. They probably tried to get some human reactions out of common Israelis who support this slaughter.

And you should know that all children are equal, regardless of their nationality or religion. They are all innocent. 

 

I mean that most of the photos you see online are fake.

Again, accusation without any proof and disrespect to the victims. You should be reported for belittling and disrespecting the victims.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

I don't really care if you report, you are the one who is all the time breaking the rules by spamming, quoting yourself and others hundred times without any added comment etc.

I didn't put words in your mouth, if I did I would say ''he said they're not humans", but I didn't say that.  Read carefully. I said what I believe to be truth and what shows from your own posts, what is understood from your own writing. You ignore people's questions ALL the time, and then you show lack of respect for the dead by repeating ''most are fake'' without ANY evidence.

Why to say names on radio? Because Israeli activists wanted to show to common folk what their government is doing and that war is not all watching fireworks from the hill. They probably tried to get some human reactions out of common Israelis who support this slaughter.

And you should know that all children are equal, regardless of their nationality or religion. They are all innocent. 

 

Again, accusation without any proof and disrespect to the victims. You should be reported for belittling and disrespecting the victims.

Spamming? I'm not the one who posts lies most of the time 10 times a day.

 

I've already brought a proof, but if I'll post it again, you'll say "reposter".

 

You are really offensive.

 

 

And you need to remember that this is not a contest, you always compare the death number of both countries. This is a war, respect it. And as a citizen of Israel, which participate in the war, you are so offensive!!! STOP being offensive it's disrespectful and you HURT me!!

[lego 44,165]

Spamming? I'm not the one who posts lies most of the time 10 times a day.

 

I've already brought a proof, but if I'll post it again, you'll say "reposter".

 

You are really offensive.

 

 

When you post around 10 different idf cartoons and 5 videos in 1 post, then you quote yourself a page or two later, that is called spamming.

 

You did not bring proof that specific photo is fake, neither that most of them are fake.

 

It's better to end this discussion, as you ignore facts and questions, as usual.

 

 

 

 

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Iran says it shot down Israeli drone near Natanz

The Revolutionary Guards says unmanned aerial vehicle intercepted by a surface-to-air missile before it could approach the facility in central Iran.

Iran said on Sunday it had shot down an Israeli spy drone that was heading for its Natanz nuclear enrichment site, Iranian media reported.

"The downed aircraft was of the stealth, radar-evasive type and it intended to penetrate the off-limits nuclear area in Natanz ... but was targeted by a ground-to-air missile before it managed to enter the area," state news agency ISNA said, citing a statement by Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

The Natanz facility is one issue at the heart of a long-running dispute between Iran and countries that believe it is seeking nuclear weapons capability, something Tehran denies.

Iran and six world powers are trying to negotiate an end to the standoff which has led to damaging economic sanctions imposed on the Islamic Republic.

Israel, widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal, demands Iran be stripped of all nuclear technologies, something Tehran rules out and which most foreign diplomats deem unrealistic.

Iran has accused Israel and its allies in the West of assassinating its nuclear scientists and attacking its nuclear sites with computer viruses.

Israel has always declined comment on such accusations and on Sunday its military said it did not comment on foreign reports.

The Revolutionary Guards said of the drone incursion: "This wily act further exposed the Zionist regime's adventurous temperament and added yet another black page to a record filled with crime and mischief."

If confirmed, an aircraft built by Israel's state-owned Aerospace Industries known as the Heron, or the more powerful Heron TP, is likely to have been involved for such a long-range mission. Military commanders in Israel have described both as a possible means of monitoring Iran and other countries.

In December 2012, Iran said it had captured a U.S. intelligence ScanEagle drone, but the United States said at the time there was no evidence to support the assertion.

In December 2011, Iran said it had captured a U.S. RQ-170 reconnaissance drone which was reported lost by U.S. forces in neighboring Afghanistan.

Iranian commanders have since announced they had extracted technology from the aircraft and were reverse-engineering it for their own defense industry.

In 2010, Iran's nuclear facilities were hit by a virus known as Stuxnet, which was widely believed to have been developed by the United States and Israel, though no government took responsibility for it.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.612204

[EXCXSXE 0]

Yes he is obviously

Just like the millions of Israelis who call dead children and civilians pallywood. I have never seen such lack of compassion.

 

There's not even 8 million people in Israel... I doubt "millions" of them are saying that.  :roll: This post is completely argument bait and adds nothing to the discussion. 

[lego 44,165]

There's not even 8 million people in Israel... I doubt "millions" of them are saying that.  :roll: This post is completely argument bait and adds nothing to the discussion. 

 

 

Let's try to end this argument. You're one of the most calm and reasonable people in this thread from the ''other side''. Let's try to keep this civil.

[EXCXSXE 0]

How many fights will happen in this thread?

It's called RESPECT. Sure you might not like the "other side" but every freaking day there's some kind of argument going on. If it doesn't stop, consider this thread closed indefinitely.

 

We've had other mods in here saying the same thing... I really think it should be closed. There wasn't much fighting for a couple days but its bad again, obviously. I don't think anyone is benefitting from this thread. 

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

When you post around 10 different idf cartoons and 5 videos in 1 post, then you quote yourself a page or two later, that is called spamming.

 

You did not bring proof that specific photo is fake, neither that most of them are fake.

 

It's better to end this discussion, as you ignore facts and questions, as usual.

 

 

 

 

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Iran says it shot down Israeli drone near Natanz

The Revolutionary Guards says unmanned aerial vehicle intercepted by a surface-to-air missile before it could approach the facility in central Iran.

Iran said on Sunday it had shot down an Israeli spy drone that was heading for its Natanz nuclear enrichment site, Iranian media reported.

"The downed aircraft was of the stealth, radar-evasive type and it intended to penetrate the off-limits nuclear area in Natanz ... but was targeted by a ground-to-air missile before it managed to enter the area," state news agency ISNA said, citing a statement by Iran's Revolutionary Guards.

The Natanz facility is one issue at the heart of a long-running dispute between Iran and countries that believe it is seeking nuclear weapons capability, something Tehran denies.

Iran and six world powers are trying to negotiate an end to the standoff which has led to damaging economic sanctions imposed on the Islamic Republic.

Israel, widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal, demands Iran be stripped of all nuclear technologies, something Tehran rules out and which most foreign diplomats deem unrealistic.

Iran has accused Israel and its allies in the West of assassinating its nuclear scientists and attacking its nuclear sites with computer viruses.

Israel has always declined comment on such accusations and on Sunday its military said it did not comment on foreign reports.

The Revolutionary Guards said of the drone incursion: "This wily act further exposed the Zionist regime's adventurous temperament and added yet another black page to a record filled with crime and mischief."

If confirmed, an aircraft built by Israel's state-owned Aerospace Industries known as the Heron, or the more powerful Heron TP, is likely to have been involved for such a long-range mission. Military commanders in Israel have described both as a possible means of monitoring Iran and other countries.

In December 2012, Iran said it had captured a U.S. intelligence ScanEagle drone, but the United States said at the time there was no evidence to support the assertion.

In December 2011, Iran said it had captured a U.S. RQ-170 reconnaissance drone which was reported lost by U.S. forces in neighboring Afghanistan.

Iranian commanders have since announced they had extracted technology from the aircraft and were reverse-engineering it for their own defense industry.

In 2010, Iran's nuclear facilities were hit by a virus known as Stuxnet, which was widely believed to have been developed by the United States and Israel, though no government took responsibility for it.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.612204

This is not related, so don't!

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

How many fights will happen in this thread?

It's called RESPECT. Sure you might not like the "other side" but every freaking day there's some kind of argument going on. If it doesn't stop, consider this thread closed indefinitely.

I can't see how this thread is good for everyone, not just the involved people in it. I really think this thread is just out of control. I don't blame anyone.

[EXCXSXE 0]

Let's try to end this argument. You're one of the most calm and reasonable people in this thread from the ''other side''. Let's try to keep this civil.

 

I'm glad to hear that because I've tried to keep an open mind here. Both sides of the argument seem to have failed in this thread...

Both sides really need to calm down... Like we're on a lady gaga forum; this is not at all the place for a quality political discussion. Quite a few people in this thread are probably still high school students, which is something else to keep in mind. 

 

PS. that Israeli drone at the Iranian nuclear facility has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. I'm a little confused by why it was quoted...

[lego 44,165]

This is not related, so don't!

 

Calm down. Get some fresh air. Your temper is also one of the reasons these arguments get out of control.

 

PS. that Israeli drone at the Iranian nuclear facility has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. I'm a little confused by why it was quoted...

I was thinking if this incident would provoke Iran and get them involved? I don't wish for it, though.