Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[Foivos 64]

Dolev  How do you feel when you see this image? Answer honestly.. 

 

[darkwolf 590]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAHFJjWnsOI

 

New video shows an upscale high-rise apartment building in Gaza City destroyed in a cloud of fire and smoke during an Israeli airstrike.

Israel bombed the 12-story apartment building, called the Zafer Tower in the Tel al-Hawa neighborhood, today as Hamas continued to fire rockets towards the Israeli border.

The Palestine Interior Ministry released footage of the bombing, showing the apartment collapsing after being hit twice by Israeli bombs. The building goes down in seconds as onlookers scream and rush the injured to hospitals.

The entire building held 44 residential apartments.

 

Israeli had fired a warning missile five minutes before the attack, allowing some residents to escape the homes in time.

But 22 people were wounded, including 11 children and five women, according to Gaza hospital officials.

Israeli military officials said the two missiles were targeting a Hamas operations room in the building, but did not explain why all 44 apartments were destroyed.

 

 

And some people still try to find excuses for Israel.Regardless of the death toll, will Israel rebuild what she has destroyed?

[lego 44,165]

Holocaust survivors condemn Israel for 'Gaza massacre,' call for boycott

In response to Elie Wiesel advertisement comparing Hamas to Nazis, 327 Jewish Holocaust survivors and descendants publish New York Times ad accusing Israel of 'ongoing massacre of the Palestinian people.'

Hundreds of Holocaust survivors and descendants of survivors have signed a letter, published as an advertisement in Saturday's New York Times, condemning "the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza" and calling for a complete boycott of Israel.

According to the letter, the condemnation was prompted by an advertisement written by Elie Wiesel and published in major news outlets worldwide, accusing Hamas of "child sacrifice" and comparing the group to the Nazis.

The letter, signed by 327 Jewish Holocaust survivors and descendants of survivors and sponsored by the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network, accuses Wiesel of "abuse of history" in order to justify Israel's actions in the Gaza Strip:

"…we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water."

The letter also blames the United States of aiding Israel in its Gaza operation, and the West in general of protecting Israel from condemnation.

"Genocide begins with the silence of the world," the letter reads.

The letter ends with a call to bring the blockade of Gaza to an immediate end, and for a full boycott of Israel. "Never again†must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!," the letter concludes.

Full text of letter:

"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza

"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.

"We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.

"Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.

"We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again†must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.612072

:applause:

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAHFJjWnsOI

 

 

And some people still try to find excuses for Israel.Regardless of the death toll, will Israel rebuild what she has destroyed?

In the building there were terrorists operation rooms. And no, we won't because Hamas will use it again.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Dolev  How do you feel when you see this image? Answer honestly.. 

 

Most of these photos are fake. This poor kid probably been taken by a Hamas' terrorist photographer, and been put on the street, crying because he wants to go back to his parents. why did the take a photo instead of taking care of him? PROPAGANDA.

[Jjang 2,262]

Most of these photos are fake. This poor kid probably been taken by a Hamas' terrorist photographer, and been put on the street, crying because he wants to go back to his parents. why did the take a photo instead of taking care of him? PROPAGANDA.

*Are you denying the reality of innocent children being brutally murdered?

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

 

Are you denying the reality of innocent children being brutally murdered?

 

Read again and don't put words into my mouth. I said MOST. 

[darkwolf 590]

 

Are you denying the reality of innocent children being brutally murdered?

 

Yes he is obviously

Just like the millions of Israelis who call dead children and civilians pallywood. I have never seen such lack of compassion.

[Foivos 64]

Most of these photos are fake. This poor kid probably been taken by a Hamas' terrorist photographer, and been put on the street, crying because he wants to go back to his parents. why did the take a photo instead of taking care of him? PROPAGANDA.

It's funny how a person whose existance and country is part of a Propaganda can say such things..

[lego 44,165]

Most of these photos are fake. This poor kid probably been taken by a Hamas' terrorist photographer, and been put on the street, crying because he wants to go back to his parents. why did the take a photo instead of taking care of him? PROPAGANDA.

Or maybe he's crying because his parents are dead under the rubble, there could be tens of people around, foreign journalists snap a photo one second and someone picks him up next. You don't have any proof that the photo is staged and after 560+ murdered kids with blown up heads and limbs you dare to call it all propaganda, like there is even need to fake anything with death and destruction in Gaza that your terrorist army and government are responsible for.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Yes he is obviously

Just like the millions of Israelis who call dead children and civilians pallywood. I have never seen such lack of compassion.

He asked me. Not you, don't answer for me ever again!

Pallywood is proved.

Or maybe he's crying because his parents are dead under the rubble, there could be tens of people around, foreign journalists snap a photo one second and someone picks him up next. You don't have any proof that the photo is staged and after 560+ murdered kids with blown up heads and limbs you dare to call it all propaganda, like there is even need to fake anything with death and destruction in Gaza that your terrorist army and government are responsible for.

You also have no proof that this is real.

It is propaganda.

My army isn't terrorist.

It's funny how a person whose existance and country is part of a Propaganda can say such things..

My country is a propaganda? We don't take photos of dead people, and post it all-over the world, we respect our dead people, we are not Hamas.

[lego 44,165]

Yes he is obviously

Just like the millions of Israelis who call dead children and civilians pallywood. I have never seen such lack of compassion.

They don't want to admit here, but they are not humans to them. They are not on the same level.

On Israeli radio they forbade activists from reading names of dead Palestinian children, while now there is one child victim on their side with full name, age and photo being retweeted from idf and pro-zionist accounts.

[darkwolf 590]

He asked me. Not you, don't answer for me ever again!

Pallywood is proved.

If you really think he was waiting for you to answer "don't put words in my mouth", you're sadly mistaken ;)

Pallywood? you mean all those people are not really dead? they are professional actors? all those destroyed buildings are done with 3D effects?

They don't want to admit here, but they are not humans to them. They are not on the same level.

On Israeli radio they forbade activists from reading names of dead Palestinian children, while now there is one child victim on their side with full name, age and photo being retweeted from idf and pro-zionist accounts.

I can't remember where I read it, but 1 Israelis equals like 1000  Palestinians

My country is a propaganda? We don't take photos of dead people, and post it all-over the world, we respect our dead people, we are not Hamas.

Well then have some respect for the innocent people who died in Gaza, and STOP calling it pallywood.

[lego 44,165]

He asked me. Not you, don't answer for me ever again!

Pallywood is proved.

You also have no proof that this is real.

It is propaganda.

My army isn't terrorist.

My country is a propaganda? We don't take photos of dead people, and post it all-over the world, we respect our dead people, we are not Hamas.

When you claim with certainty that it's propaganda, it is on you to prove that the specific photo is staged, not the other way around.

Are you not aware of traumas of war these survived Palestinian kids are facing? They have seen dead bodies, blood, body parts under rubbles etc. After your terrorist army's bombing for over month do you have any kind of feelings for these kids?

World sadly needs to see what horrible war crimes Israel is comitting.

[GLAMOUGAGA 0]

If we are Little Monsters joined here by the love of Gaga who fights against hate, Why don't you spread love? Try to understand the other side, try to open your minds and their minds, your ears and hearts. Nothing is black and white in this conflict, it's a whole lot of grey for so many years and in the end the little people that their voice isn't even heard pay the price on both sides (by being victims of politics and agendas of the people who are in power and agendas that has nothing to do with them).

Everyone here wants the people of Gaza to have a good life and they can, Gaza could be a beautiful tourist attraction one day and not a terrorist attraction.
Spreading hate against Israel won't really help, and mind you, there's as much hate to Israel&Jews in the world as there is to Arabs&Muslims these days. It's a shame that instead of fighting racism together we just make it worse by spreading more hate to the other side, it seems that it's so easy and tempting to hate others and blame them than look within and ask yourself what are we doing wrong? What is the other side right about? How can we make it better? Where is my hate coming from and what does it help me as it only blinds me?
War is a bad thing, that's the only sure thing. People get hurt in wars (In the past there was no internet to see how bad wars are, and most nations don't use pictures of bodies as a way to win public support, that isn't respectful to human life, but well, cultures are different and as they sadly say, all is fair in love and war... for the side you support, that is, and I'm talking about both sides of war, as both are always sure they are just and right. Mind you, it doesn't matter if the pictures are staged or not, people get hurt and were hurt and died, you don't need gory pictures to know that or understand that or to feel pain about it and cry for the loss of all human life wherever in the world), there are no winners in wars, only losers. That doesn't mean there is an easy magical solution, it is complicated, but it's always darkest before the dawn, so maybe we can be hopeful that a new dawn is near. As for Israel & Palestinians, they will have to learn to live together at some point with the hope it doesn't take a hundred years (like it took with allot of other nations in the world. People forgot that the whole world was in wars for centuries upon centuries, it's the growing pains of evolving societies and sadly seems that it's a nasty part of human nature). And about the problem of Terror, it should be fought everywhere, but fighting them with guns is just a painkiller to the headache, they should be fought early on with education (Same as bullying in a way).

P.S: I want to say that it's still nice that people here are having this conversation even if some use it just to try and "prove" their points and not really for conversation and debating sake. The fact the whole world is talking about it is good, as for years no one really knew or cared about what's going on, with the hope that even after this is over people around the world will still care for the people living in Gaza and will look after them and keep an eye on what's going on there and that the aid money is really going to them and to make sure they have the proper life they all deserve.
I think the most important thing is to try and listen, to stop dehumanizing the other side and to know that there are always things you don't fully understand. Nothing is absolute truth in the world, smart people should doubt everything. and it's better to be smart than to be "right" (and to post all sorts of stuff from the internet that the other side tries to dismiss&denounce and so on back and forth. You should know by now that nothing these days is full proof fact (We see it with things written about Gaga all the time) people should judge what they see and not believe everything they see just cause it supports what they already believe in, if so, what's the point? That's believing, that's not really knowing anything.
“If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things.†Rene Descartes

IF WE CAN DO IT, IF WE CAN LISTEN (READ), TALK (WRITE), UNDERSTAND (OR AT LEAST TRY) AND MAKE PEACE (EVERYONE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE IN PEACE), MAYBE THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN TOO (ONE DAY)
LITTLE MONSTERS UNITE!

Just a thought about this whole never ending never changing debate: Think about it like this, as this is Gaga Daily, though what I'm about to say is a thousand times different, it's like us fans having debates with people that hate Gaga or with Britney or Katy Perry fans. People that hate Gaga sadly won't start to love her because you show them an amazing performance by her or an amazing outfit and what's the point in trying to convince Katy Perry fans she is copying Gaga or Britney fans that she doesn't sing live, And it will always make us angry and mad when people post bad things about Gaga from the internet or some review from somewhere saying she's ****, when we know with all our hearts it's not true, it can't be true, she's Gaga!... I guess it will never change cause cause that's what people do and will always do, but we can dream, it's our duty to dream. oh well, just a thought as after all this is a Lady Gaga fan base forum.