Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[Jjang 2,262]

They are victims of a war that was started by Hamas - the cause. They count just like Hamas includs terrorists in its death toll.

I don't get your question, please be more clear.

 

You could see it as a cartoon if you want to, it's not a surprise you'd rather ignore facts than facing the reality. Any money that goes into Gaza can reach Hamas' hands.

 

Those kids were alive now if Hamas was not attacking Israel and hiding behind them. Hamas is an expert of driving the media and providing drama.

 

I could also say Muslims that are pro-Israel indicated that Palestinians are wrong. "Do me a break".

Israel's fault? then why does the West Bank look better?

Call Netanyahu a war criminal as much as you want, the fact the Hamas is the one blacklisted as a terror organization and not him tells it all.

 

"extremist religious settlers and their backwardness and aggressiveness". Educate yourself. Soda Stream industries employs hundreds of Palestinians and that's just one example. Your Image of settlers is wrong and racist, just like saying all Palestinians are religious and sick with aggressiveness.

The hate between Palestinians and Israeli-Jews. This decade-aged hostility.

 

You replied to Lego's post, which was about the racism & hate that Arabs in Israel face, are you calling that 'understandable'? not making assumptions, just to make things clear.

[Dolev 867]

You think d--g cartels are not as deadly as Hamas?

If you even read the news in the US, you'd know how dangerous it is on the US/Mexican border if you cross hairs with the d--g black market. People lose their fingers, eyes, legs, arms, , and there is always the threat of rape, torture, and murder of entire families... They are ruthless with a cause rooted in money and power...

Western nations also deal with terrorists and extremist groups, they are also met with law enforcement or deadly force if the situation calls for it. No need to bomb buildings when you can send in SWAT and tactical teams to deal with the root of the problem and that is individuals who plan to threaten the population.

I'm asking for both Israelis and Palestinians to go back to the table and talk this over like rational human beings. There must be a mutual solution that does not end in bloodshed to get what both parties want. If it's land we're talking about, why is it so hard to share the land like those of similar cultural background do elsewhere across the globe? Even you say that there are Israeli Arabs within your borders who live in peace. How are those Arabs different from those in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip? The day you acknowledge that they are people who deserve the same type of peace and prosperity you seek for your people is the day you might know where they are coming from. And maybe they might come to respect and understand you as well.

Introspection, empathy, and understanding others and their needs is the path to finding peace with our fellow man. Maybe if we stop pointing the finger and think about what we can do to contribute to peace than hate or war, the whole concept for the Promise Land might even bear fruit in time.

It doesn't have to be perfect. Even developed, advanced nations have their problems to resolve, but people do their best to survive and thrive without bombs or mortals going off.

So you're telling me theres another western country bordering terror other than Israel? Which?

Drug cartels are not the same. They are not targeting NYC or Washington and not digging tunnels into US cities.

 

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

 

THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL

May 14, 1948

[Dolev 867]

That paragraph makes your country's image much worse.

 

It's not Haaretz, it's a book, a study. And these are the future idf soldiers. The fact that you justify them instead of condemning and working on eliminating discrimination and racial hatred among Israeli youth, says a lot. 

 

This kind of racism comes from the top, from the political figures, from your army to ordinary people, then to kids. 

There are more Palestinians who's family and friends were killed by Israeli soldiers yet they have friends among Israeli Jewish lawyers and activist who are helping them against illegal settlers.

 

You are claiming that Arabs have all the same rights in Israel as Jews, when in reality they do not. And not only Arabs.

 

 

 

and if you want to play with Paint and Word again

 

@StanleyCohenLaw: ISIS is more principled than Israel."   They look the same to me.

 

 

^^^^

This is coming from a Jewish lawyer from NY.

That paragraph is something that is beyond you to understand, only because its Israel we are talking about and you hate so much, more then you actually care about the Palestinians.  :)

The fact that you are busy bashing Israel so much rather then calling for Hamas to stop targeting civilians and provoking Israel as if they were equally powerfull, ignores Hamas atrocities against Israelis and its own people - Palestinians, says a lot. As I said before, you can go on years now with whining about how poor the Palestinains are, it won't help them neither will stop Israel from existing.

 

Arabs and Jews are equal in Israel.

If you really think Israel and the ISIS are in the same boat then I have nothing else to say. 

I'm also sick of saying again and again not all Jews are obligated to be pro-Israeli like not all Muslims are pro-Palestinian and I don't get why your really think it indicated something at all.

[lego 44,165]

They are victims of a war that was started by Hamas - the cause. They count just like Hamas includs terrorists in its death toll.

I don't get your question, please be more clear.

 

You could see it as a cartoon if you want to, it's not a surprise you'd rather ignore facts than facing the reality. Any money that goes into Gaza can reach Hamas' hands.

 

Those kids were alive now if Hamas was not attacking Israel and hiding behind them. Hamas is an expert of driving the media and providing drama.

 

No, they would be alive if Israeli destructive forces didn't massacre them under excuse of ''aiming at terrorists'', with their precise weapons.

 

I could also say Muslims that are pro-Israel indicated that Palestinians are wrong. "Do me a break".

I said give me a break, learn how to read.

 

Israel's fault? then why does the West Bank look better?

It looks so much better when every few days soldiers literally kidnap people who protest and shoot kids with real bullets.

 

Call Netanyahu a war criminal as much as you want, the fact the Hamas is the one blacklisted as a terror organization and not him tells it all.

State terror is much worse and only because Israel is allies with the West no one is doing anything about it. Any other country would already be bombed or sanctioned.

 

If Israel is right, why are human rights organizations banned from Gaza? What are they hiding?

 

"extremist religious settlers and their backwardness and aggressiveness". Educate yourself. Soda Stream industries employs hundreds of Palestinians and that's just one example. Your Image of settlers is wrong and racist, just like saying all Palestinians are religious and sick with aggressiveness.

I have seen hours of documents about their life which took over decade to record. They are racist to Palestinians and they don't hide it. They burned their olive trees and bulldozed their land so they can build illegal settlements. They can have their religious celebrations on the streets in night while Israeli soldiers yell at Arab kids to go back and not even look at them through window.

[Dolev 867]

 

You replied to Lego's post, which was about the racism & hate that Arabs in Israel face, are you calling that 'understandable'? not making assumptions, just to make things clear.

 

Then read again. I was saying it is understandable why its exists, not that it should and that I justify it.  :)

[lego 44,165]

Israeli airstrike kills 3, injures dozens across Gaza

 

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Three Palestinians were killed and dozens others were injured around noon as airstrikes continued to pound Gaza after two were killed overnight.

An Israeli airstrike killed a teenage boy and a baby girl and injured five others in Sheikh Radwan neighborhood in Gaza City in the northern Gaza Strip.

Spokesman for the Palestinian Ministry of Health Ashraf al-Qidra confirmed that the bodies of 2-year-old Zeina Bilal Abu Taqiyya and 17-year-old Muhammad Wael al-Khudari were taken to al-Shifa hospital.

 

WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE

At least one man was killed and 10 injured after an airstrike hit the home of the Tallini family in Deir al-Balah in the central Gaza Strip around noon.

Medical sources said more bodies are believed to be buried under the wreckage of the house and rescue teams are still working in the area.

Separately, an Israeli airstrike hit home of Nabhan family in the northern Gaza Strip injuring four.

 

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=722893

[Jjang 2,262]

Then read again. I was saying it is understandable why its exists, not that it should and that I justify it.  :)

*I read it, I still wasn't convinced of why its understandable.

[Dolev 867]

 

No, they would be alive if Israeli destructive forces didn't massacre them under excuse of ''aiming at terrorists'', with their precise weapons.

 

I said give me a break, learn how to read.

 

It looks so much better when every few days soldiers literally kidnap people who protest and shoot kids with real bullets.

 

State terror is much worse and only because Israel is allies with the West no one is doing anything about it. Any other country would already be bombed or sanctioned.

 

If Israel is right, why are human rights organizations banned from Gaza? What are they hiding?

 

I have seen hours of documents about their life which took over decade to record. They are racist to Palestinians and they don't hide it. They burned their olive trees and bulldozed their land so they can build illegal settlements. They can have their religious celebrations on the streets in night while Israeli soldiers yell at Arab kids to go back and not even look at them through window.

Again, ignoring the cause. Such a surprise!  :dead:

Provide examples.

It could also come to mind that the west understands Israel because it is experienced with Islamic terror.

Human Rights organizations are banned from Gaza? provide examples.

 

Sounds like you watched some one nice propaganda movie. What was it name? Jud Süß?? 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack

 

I read it, I still wasn't convinced of why its understandable.

 

Shocking...

[Jjang 2,262]

Again, ignoring the cause. Such a surprise!  :dead:

Provide examples.

It could also come to mind that the west understands Israel because it is experienced with Islamic terror.

Human Rights organizations are banned from Gaza? provide examples.

 

Sounds like you watched some one nice propaganda movie. What was it name? Jud Süß?? 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_attack

Shocking...

*Yes, so shocking that I don't find racism and hate understandable.

[Dolev 867]

 

Yes, so shocking that I don't find racism and hate understandable.

 

Me neither and I'm glad to see you agree with me on this. Maybe if the PA will stop glamorizing terror and teaching to hate then it would became less wide-spread in the West Bbank and the Gaza strip.  :)

[Jjang 2,262]

Me neither and I'm glad to see you agree with me on this. Maybe if the PA will stop glamorizing terror and teaching to hate then it would became less wide-spread in the West Bbank and the Gaza strip.  :)

 

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/PA-slams-Hamas-executions-372087

 

 

 

But still, I don't understand your point. why is it understandable for Israeli - Jews to hate Israeli - Arabs?

[lego 44,165]

The cause of resistance is land stealing, opression, blockade, siege and ethnic cleansing. The cause of death of civilians are your destruction forces.

I might upload the documents if I have enough time, wonder what exactly is propaganda there, since they show both sides and give enough screen time for both.

Yes, they are banned.

Israel Bans International Human Rights Workers from Gaza

Since beginning its assault on the Gaza Strip on July 8th, Israeli officials have prevented human rights observers and experts employed by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch from entering Gaza to conduct independent investigations.

http://www.imemc.org/article/68906

Israel bars Amnesty, Human Rights Watch workers from Gaza

Human rights organizations prevented from conducting investigations into Israel-Hamas fighting.

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.611015?v=C71173698D9D0CD11CC6ECAC6F165264

At least they caught the criminals who killed that family while israeli soldiers who kill kids walk free

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

Palestinian, 11, killed by Israeli fire in West Bank

http://news.yahoo.com/palestinian-11-killed-israeli-fire-west-bank-100103142.html

[darkwolf 590]

- The Gaza strip borders Egypt as well. Money transfer is total bull**** as Hamas use the Islamic bank. Calories intake... Do you really believe that? what's next? concentration camps?

- I always care about the international law. You firing rockets from a UN school where people took shelter is legal?

- Does Abu-Mazen fight Israel in a violent way? Why can the PLO handle Israel diplomaticly and Hamas cannot? This conflict won't be solved by militants, only by agreements. What did Israel use? provide examples.

Can you assure the West Bank won't turn into Hamas-Land 2.0 the moment Israel will withdraw (with Tel Aviv becoming a daily-regular target for rockets), just like what happen in Gaza? Admit it, the Arab world is a mess.

 

-We have already talked about the border with Egypt, let's not act as if there were no agreements between Israel and Egypt, not to mention how the current egyptian regime hates hamas. And the money transfer thing is REAL: There is a blockade on Gaza imposed by Israel. You can't deny that, find another arguments.

-Israel violates international law: you remember when they bombed that school even if teh UNRWA officials called them like 20 times and warned there were civilians there? And also,how many past UN resolutions does Israel not care about at all?

-You answered your own question: diplomacy with Israel doesn't seem to have much effect.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

They are victims of a war that was started by Hamas - the cause. They count just like Hamas includs terrorists in its death toll.

I don't get your question, please be more clear.

 

You could see it as a cartoon if you want to, it's not a surprise you'd rather ignore facts than facing the reality. Any money that goes into Gaza can reach Hamas' hands.

 

Those kids were alive now if Hamas was not attacking Israel and hiding behind them. Hamas is an expert of driving the media and providing drama.

 

I could also say Muslims that are pro-Israel indicated that Palestinians are wrong. "Do me a break".

Israel's fault? then why does the West Bank look better?

Call Netanyahu a war criminal as much as you want, the fact the Hamas is the one blacklisted as a terror organization and not him tells it all.

 

"extremist religious settlers and their backwardness and aggressiveness". Educate yourself. Soda Stream industries employs hundreds of Palestinians and that's just one example. Your Image of settlers is wrong and racist, just like saying all Palestinians are religious and sick with aggressiveness.

The hate between Palestinians and Israeli-Jews. This decade-aged hostility.

I agree with every word!   

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

That paragraph is something that is beyond you to understand, only because its Israel we are talking about and you hate so much, more then you actually care about the Palestinians.  :)

The fact that you are busy bashing Israel so much rather then calling for Hamas to stop targeting civilians and provoking Israel as if they were equally powerfull, ignores Hamas atrocities against Israelis and its own people - Palestinians, says a lot. As I said before, you can go on years now with whining about how poor the Palestinains are, it won't help them neither will stop Israel from existing.

 

Arabs and Jews are equal in Israel.

If you really think Israel and the ISIS are in the same boat then I have nothing else to say. 

I'm also sick of saying again and again not all Jews are obligated to be pro-Israeli like not all Muslims are pro-Palestinian and I don't get why your really think it indicated something at all.