EXCXSXE 0 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 We need more sources, I doubt a hamas official will say something like that it will absolutely not help their image and they know it. I don't deny that hamas has anything to do with it though, so don't quote me on that. The info comes from i24news, which is an Israeli site (link), it's the only sources that I found, the telegraph might have caught on that. http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/In-first-Hamas-official-takes-credit-for-kidnap-and-murder-of-Israeli-teens-371703 http://www.newsweek.com/senior-hamas-official-claims-organisation-responsible-kidnapping-israeli-teenagers-266070 Unless you meant you need more quotes from Hamas officials... The quote didn't originate from i24, did it? I also don't understand why he would say this. The fact that no one has been charged with that crime yet is very important to what's happening right now. It's a major victory for Israel if they admit to this, so I expected no word from Hamas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 We need more sources, I doubt a hamas official will say something like that it will absolutely not help their image and they know it. I don't deny that hamas has anything to do with it though, so don't quote me on that. The info comes from i24news, which is an Israeli site (link), it's the only sources that I found, the telegraph might have caught on that. They have some 20 seconds clip where you cannot see who's talking or verify it's authenticity. Israeli police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld told BBC correspondent Jon Donnison that the kidnappings did not occur on the orders of, or with the knowledge of the Hamas leadership, and that the crime was the action of a "lone cell". Hamas usualy takes responsibility and even if they lied and did that, in a normal country you would find the ones responsible and imprison them, not attack whole nation, as a collective punishment, destroy the infrastructure and murder over 2000 civilians. Also the kidnappings of settlers were probably response to killing of 2 Palestinian teens in May caught on CCTV. And they even revenged after by burning alive Palestinian-American teen. The kidnapping were just an excuse to bomb the **** out of Gaza, like they do every 2-3 years. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 We need more sources, I doubt a hamas official will say something like that it will absolutely not help their image and they know it. I don't deny that hamas has anything to do with it though, so don't quote me on that. The info comesa from i24news, which is an Israeli site (link), it's the only sources that I found, the telegraph might have caught on that.Considering you misrepresent your own sources, its a wonder that you would look to the media for anything but validation of a predetermined conclusion.... any information to the contrary , you automatically question or dismiss... They have some 20 seconds clip where you cannot see who's talking or verify it's authenticity.Israeli police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld told BBC correspondent Jon Donnison that the kidnappings did not occur on the orders of, or with the knowledge of the Hamas leadership, and that the crime was the action of a "lone cell".Hamas usualy takes responsibility and even if they lied and did that, in a normal country you would find the ones responsible and imprison them, not attack whole nation, as a collective punishment, destroy the infrastructure and murder over 2000 civilians.Also the kidnappings of settlers were probably response to killing of 2 Palestinian teens in May caught on CCTV. And they even revenged after by burning alive Palestinian-American teen.The kidnapping were just an excuse to bomb the **** out of Gaza, like they do every 2-3 years.horse pucky like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Don't quote me anymore, with your silly replies. I don't talk to people who say that murdered Palestinians will not be considered victims until this and this happens... They don't need your sympathy. Bye. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 They have some 20 seconds clip where you cannot see who's talking or verify it's authenticity. Israeli police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld told BBC correspondent Jon Donnison that the kidnappings did not occur on the orders of, or with the knowledge of the Hamas leadership, and that the crime was the action of a "lone cell". Hamas usualy takes responsibility and even if they lied and did that, in a normal country you would find the ones responsible and imprison them, not attack whole nation, as a collective punishment, destroy the infrastructure and murder over 2000 civilians. Also the kidnappings of settlers were probably response to killing of 2 Palestinian teens in May caught on CCTV. And they even revenged after by burning alive Palestinian-American teen. The kidnapping were just an excuse to bomb the **** out of Gaza, like they do every 2-3 years. That's not true. The comments were made at a conference very recently. They haven't been verified by other members of Hamas though... I don't think we'll ever know the truth on this one. :( May they rest in peace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 EU states pursue UN resolution to end Israel-Gaza fighting Haaretz reveals document in which Germany, France and Britain seek return of Gaza to Palestinian Authority control, lifting of restrictions, international supervision and restart of peace talks based on '67 borders. Germany, France and Britain have begun working on a UN Security Council resolution that would end the fighting in the Gaza Strip. On Tuesday, they circulated a document to diplomats at UN headquarters in New York outlining the elements they thought such a resolution should contain. These include returning Gaza to the Palestinian Authority’s control, reconstructing the Strip under international supervision to prevent Hamas from rearming, and restarting Israeli-Palestinian peace talks on the basis of the pre-1967 lines. The two-page document, a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, bears the laconic title “Elements.†Both senior Israeli officials and European diplomats  all of whom requested to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the issue  said German, French and British officials briefed top Israeli figures on the draft but did not give them a copy. Jerusalem obtained the document through other diplomatic channels. The document proposes that the resolution condemn “all violence and hostilities directed against civilians, as well as indiscriminate attacks resulting in civilian casualties, and all acts of terrorism.†The resolution should also call for an “immediate, sustainable†cease-fire that would include an end to all rocket fire from Gaza and all offensive military operations in Gaza, it said. This cease-fire would be based on the following principles: * The return of control of the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority. * Security arrangements to prevent the resumption of hostilities. * The prohibition of the sale or supply of all weapons and munitions to the Gaza Strip, unless authorized by the PA. * A commitment to prevent the financing of terrorism. * The lifting of “economic and humanitarian restrictions†on the Gaza Strip in order to enable the reconstruction, economic rehabilitation and development of the territory. * The full reopening of all border crossings with the Gaza Strip, “taking into account the 2005 Agreement on Movement and Access.†This U.S.-brokered agreement between Israel and the PA was supposed to govern the operation of the crossings following Israel’s 2005 withdrawal from the Strip. The document also proposed establishing an international monitoring and verification mission, whose job would include monitoring implementation of the above principles, investigating and reporting cease-fire violations to both parties and to the Security Council, facilitating the movement of people and goods to and from Gaza and serving as a liaison between the parties to the cease-fire “to ensure effective communications†between them. The document’s other provisions included asking the UN secretary-general to draft a plan to help the PA establish “effective governance†in Gaza; urging UN member states to contribute to Gaza’s reconstruction, inter alia by calling an international conference on the issue and urging them to help the PA to pay the salaries of civil servants in Gaza and increase the capabilities of its security forces. The final paragraph of the document, which deals with the resumption Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, is one of the most important and sensitive sections of the proposal. It calls for “renewed and urgent efforts by the parties and the international community to resume the negotiations in order to achieve a comprehensive peace based on the vision of two democratic States, Palestine and Israel, living side by side on the basis of the pre-1967 borders in peace and security.†Ever since the fighting in Gaza began, Jordan has been pushing for passage of a Security Council resolution to end the war. But since its draft resolution was one-sided, and called for establishing an international inquiry commission to investigate alleged Israeli attacks on UN facilities in Gaza, the United States blocked it, with support from the three European Security Council members. Washington’s main argument was that a Security Council resolution would undermine the talks taking place in Egypt on a cease-fire deal. After the indirect talks between Israel and Hamas collapsed earlier this week, however, Germany, France and Britain decided to push for a Security Council resolution themselves  but one that would be more balanced and would satisfy many of Israel’s security demands. This initiative has won support from other council members, including Australia, and the United States is also leaning toward backing it. “The question isn’t whether there will be a Security Council resolution to end the war in Gaza, the question is only when it will happen,†said one European diplomat involved in the talks on the matter. http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.611911?v=801765D4D749478D3B988DB775DF7416 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXCXSXE 0 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 EU states pursue UN resolution to end Israel-Gaza fighting Haaretz reveals document in which Germany, France and Britain seek return of Gaza to Palestinian Authority control, lifting of restrictions, international supervision and restart of peace talks based on '67 borders. Germany, France and Britain have begun working on a UN Security Council resolution that would end the fighting in the Gaza Strip. On Tuesday, they circulated a document to diplomats at UN headquarters in New York outlining the elements they thought such a resolution should contain. These include returning Gaza to the Palestinian Authority’s control, reconstructing the Strip under international supervision to prevent Hamas from rearming, and restarting Israeli-Palestinian peace talks on the basis of the pre-1967 lines. The two-page document, a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, bears the laconic title “Elements.†Both senior Israeli officials and European diplomats  all of whom requested to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the issue  said German, French and British officials briefed top Israeli figures on the draft but did not give them a copy. Jerusalem obtained the document through other diplomatic channels. The document proposes that the resolution condemn “all violence and hostilities directed against civilians, as well as indiscriminate attacks resulting in civilian casualties, and all acts of terrorism.†The resolution should also call for an “immediate, sustainable†cease-fire that would include an end to all rocket fire from Gaza and all offensive military operations in Gaza, it said. This cease-fire would be based on the following principles: * The return of control of the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority. * Security arrangements to prevent the resumption of hostilities. * The prohibition of the sale or supply of all weapons and munitions to the Gaza Strip, unless authorized by the PA. * A commitment to prevent the financing of terrorism. * The lifting of “economic and humanitarian restrictions†on the Gaza Strip in order to enable the reconstruction, economic rehabilitation and development of the territory. * The full reopening of all border crossings with the Gaza Strip, “taking into account the 2005 Agreement on Movement and Access.†This U.S.-brokered agreement between Israel and the PA was supposed to govern the operation of the crossings following Israel’s 2005 withdrawal from the Strip. The document also proposed establishing an international monitoring and verification mission, whose job would include monitoring implementation of the above principles, investigating and reporting cease-fire violations to both parties and to the Security Council, facilitating the movement of people and goods to and from Gaza and serving as a liaison between the parties to the cease-fire “to ensure effective communications†between them. The document’s other provisions included asking the UN secretary-general to draft a plan to help the PA establish “effective governance†in Gaza; urging UN member states to contribute to Gaza’s reconstruction, inter alia by calling an international conference on the issue and urging them to help the PA to pay the salaries of civil servants in Gaza and increase the capabilities of its security forces. The final paragraph of the document, which deals with the resumption Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, is one of the most important and sensitive sections of the proposal. It calls for “renewed and urgent efforts by the parties and the international community to resume the negotiations in order to achieve a comprehensive peace based on the vision of two democratic States, Palestine and Israel, living side by side on the basis of the pre-1967 borders in peace and security.†Ever since the fighting in Gaza began, Jordan has been pushing for passage of a Security Council resolution to end the war. But since its draft resolution was one-sided, and called for establishing an international inquiry commission to investigate alleged Israeli attacks on UN facilities in Gaza, the United States blocked it, with support from the three European Security Council members. Washington’s main argument was that a Security Council resolution would undermine the talks taking place in Egypt on a cease-fire deal. After the indirect talks between Israel and Hamas collapsed earlier this week, however, Germany, France and Britain decided to push for a Security Council resolution themselves  but one that would be more balanced and would satisfy many of Israel’s security demands. This initiative has won support from other council members, including Australia, and the United States is also leaning toward backing it. “The question isn’t whether there will be a Security Council resolution to end the war in Gaza, the question is only when it will happen,†said one European diplomat involved in the talks on the matter. http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.611911?v=801765D4D749478D3B988DB775DF7416 This is great news. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 That's not true. The comments were made at a conference very recently. They haven't been verified by other members of Hamas though... I don't think we'll ever know the truth on this one. :( May they rest in peace. That is what Dolev posted here and I've seen the same clip in other media, there is nothing longer than that, at least I couldn't find. And in text it says many times "according to IDF...", nothing from Palestinian side. I don't know really. This is great news. :) Ikr:) hoping & praying for peace. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 This is great news. :) Actually, I don't think that Hamas will keep the next ceasefire.. He will probably break it again, as always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 this topic became depressing, this issue needs to be solved one day, not with war, but with negotiation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGoneGaga 86 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Actually, I don't think that Hamas will keep the next ceasefire.. He will probably break it again, as always. I'm choosing to be optimistic on this ceasefire as I choose to be with any of them. I don't always believe they will last, but I like to have hope that people on both sides can one day wake up feeling safe. this topic became depressing, this issue needs to be solved one day, not with war, but with negotiation. Agreed. With negotiation, calm minds, and equal willing to cooperate from everyone. Team love, acceptance and peace. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnaLucia95 2 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Actually, I don't think that Hamas will keep the next ceasefire.. He will probably break it again, as always. Yes, most likely. You can't negotiate with terrorists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf 590 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 this topic became depressing, this issue needs to be solved one day, not with war, but with negotiation. Imagine those who lived in places like Gaza since the day they were born Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucia4 0 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Actually, I don't think that Hamas will keep the next ceasefire.. He will probably break it again, as always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noam Zioni 1,201 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 I don't get what you say. I hope that you don't say that Hamas doesn't break ceasfires. ------------------------- Minutes ago, a rocket hit directly at a Synagogue(!) in Ashdod. 2 men injured, a big damage caused by the rocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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