Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[Dolev 867]

Well of course that won't happen. Your country is above all laws, you are in NATO, your country has USA to back you up, that's why it's funny when you think people are against you or focusing more on you because they're antisemitic, no, it's because ANY other country in your place would be long time ago punished for its crimes. And it's sad that cause of blind nationalism you don't see that.

Israel is not in NATO as far as I know, you might want to check your sources. 

 

"There are a number of factors going into it. You can’t ever discount anti-Semitism, especially with what’s going on in Europe today. There are more demonstrations against Israel by an exponential amount than there are against Russia seizing part of Ukraine and shooting down a civilian airliner. So there’s something else at work here than what you see on TV."

"What you see is largely what Hamas invites and permits Western journalists to report on from Gaza. It’s the old PR problem that Israel has. Yes, there are substantive, deep levels of antagonism or anti-Semitism towards Israel, because it’s a powerful state, a really effective military. And Hamas paints itself as the defender of the rights of the Palestinians to have their own state. So the PR battle is one that is historically tilted against Israel."

Hillary knows the best.   

[lego 44,165]

Israel is not in NATO as far as I know, you might want to check your sources. 

 

Hillary knows the best.   

Yeah it's not but it's major non-NATO ally.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

Hillary knows nothing. Fox news and Sean Hannity are Israel's PR in USA which mostly uninformed Americans follow. The fact that over 700 journalists were in Gaza and most of them never even saw Hamas, just shows that no matter how many times lie is repeated by Mark Regev or idf twitter account, it won't become truth. People start to see through lies.

[darkwolf 590]

HRW? really? could it get more biased? Poor peaceful Palestinians. 

of course you would find them biased, anti semetic, nazi and everything! since they amen to Israel's "peaceful" works.

But what did you imply in the last bit? that children who died weren't peaceful? they deserved to die?

 

I was rude? where?

Well thank you for "not bothering". Is that English for "I have no solid answer to give"?

No that is English for "I have already explained that to you, and you know the truth but just want to deny it as much as possible, while trying to justify and belittle every crime Israel does, in vain ^^"

 

when were you rude? just one example

 

you are so uneducated its almost amazing 

 

[darkwolf 590]

Israel is not in NATO as far as I know, you might want to check your sources. 

 

Hillary knows the best.   

 

Speaking of Hilary, she also said that Gaza is such a crowded and small area, so IDF "warning" the Palestinians before they strike is kinda useless

[lego 44,165]

of course you would find them biased, anti semetic, nazi and everything! since they amen to Israel's "peaceful" works.

But what did you imply in the last bit? that children who died weren't peaceful? they deserved to die?

 

No that is English for "I have already explained that to you, and you know the truth but just want to deny it as much as possible, while trying to justify and belittle every crime Israel does, in vain ^^"

 

when were you rude? just one example

 

So now both UN and Human Rights Watch is biased towards Israel? Is Amnesty International too? They also spoke about deliberate attacks on medical workers and ambulances. That is just because they're antisemitic, right?

Oh and shooting to kill in West Bank is justified because...?

[lego 44,165]

-THROWBACK-
 
 
Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim
 
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza?newsfeed=true
 
 
Israeli Government Consciously Planned to Keep Palestinians "on a Diet", Controlling Their Food Supply, Damning Document Reveals
Israeli military forced to reveal that Israel calculated the amount of calories Palestinians would need to avoid malnutrition.
An Israeli human rights organization, Gisha, sued in Israeli courts to force the release of a planning document for ‘putting the Palestinians on a diet’ without risking the bad press of mass starvation, and the courts concurred.
 
http://www.alternet.org/world/israeli-government-consciously-planned-keep-palestinians-diet-controlling-their-food-supply
 
About ten percent of Palestinian children in Gaza under 5 have had their growth stunted by malnutrition.
http://www.ibtimes.com/israels-blockade-gaza-puts-palestinian-childrens-health-risk-report-702821
 
 
UN Report out last month predicts that if Israel does not change its policies toward Gaza, the strip will be uninhabitable by 2020
http://www.unrwa.org/etemplate.php?id=1423

No one seems to have comment on this "keeping Palestinians on diet". Is that normal life?

 

Anyone remember this?


Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl

· Officer ignored warnings that teenager was terrified
· Defence says 'confirming the kill' standard practice
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Wednesday 16 November 2005 11.34 GMT

An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

The soldier, who has only been identified as "Captain R", was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.

The manner of Iman's killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was "scared to death", made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.

After the verdict, Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.

"They did not charge him with Iman's murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times," he said. "This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children."

The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.

Capt R's lawyers argued that the "confirmation of the kill" after a suspect is shot was a standard Israeli military practice to eliminate terrorist threats.

Following the verdict, Capt R burst into tears, turned to the public benches and said: "I told you I was innocent."

The army's official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb. It is still not known why the girl ventured into the area but witnesses described her as at least 100 yards from the military post which was in any case well protected.

A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

Although the military speculated that Iman might have been trying to "lure" the soldiers out of their base so they could be attacked by accomplices, Capt R made the decision to lead some of his troops into the open. Shortly afterwards he can be heard on the recording saying that he has shot the girl and, believing her dead, then "confirmed the kill".

"I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over," he said.

Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

On the tape, Capt R then "clarifies" to the soldiers under his command why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed."

At no point did the Israeli troops come under attack.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

This system is corrupt. Palestinians were never humans to them.

[Adakam 2]

No one seems to have comment on this "keeping Palestinians on diet". Is that normal life?

Another throwback-

Not guilty. The Israeli captain who emptied his rifle into a Palestinian schoolgirl

· Officer ignored warnings that teenager was terrified

· Defence says 'confirming the kill' standard practice

Chris McGreal in Jerusalem

Wednesday 16 November 2005 11.34 GMT

An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

The soldier, who has only been identified as "Captain R", was charged with relatively minor offences for the killing of Iman al-Hams who was shot 17 times as she ventured near an Israeli army post near Rafah refugee camp in Gaza a year ago.

The manner of Iman's killing, and the revelation of a tape recording in which the captain is warned that she was just a child who was "scared to death", made the shooting one of the most controversial since the Palestinian intifada erupted five years ago even though hundreds of other children have also died.

After the verdict, Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, said the army never intended to hold the soldier accountable.

"They did not charge him with Iman's murder, only with small offences, and now they say he is innocent of those even though he shot my daughter so many times," he said. "This was the cold-blooded murder of a girl. The soldier murdered her once and the court has murdered her again. What is the message? They are telling their soldiers to kill Palestinian children."

The military court cleared the soldier of illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and perverting the course of justice by asking soldiers under his command to alter their accounts of the incident.

Capt R's lawyers argued that the "confirmation of the kill" after a suspect is shot was a standard Israeli military practice to eliminate terrorist threats.

Following the verdict, Capt R burst into tears, turned to the public benches and said: "I told you I was innocent."

The army's official account said that Iman was shot for crossing into a security zone carrying her schoolbag which soldiers feared might contain a bomb. It is still not known why the girl ventured into the area but witnesses described her as at least 100 yards from the military post which was in any case well protected.

A recording of radio exchanges between Capt R and his troops obtained by Israeli television revealed that from the beginning soldiers identified Iman as a child.

In the recording, a soldier in a watchtower radioed a colleague in the army post's operations room and describes Iman as "a little girl" who was "scared to death". After soldiers first opened fire, she dropped her schoolbag which was then hit by several bullets establishing that it did not contain explosive. At that point she was no longer carrying the bag and, the tape revealed, was heading away from the army post when she was shot.

Although the military speculated that Iman might have been trying to "lure" the soldiers out of their base so they could be attacked by accomplices, Capt R made the decision to lead some of his troops into the open. Shortly afterwards he can be heard on the recording saying that he has shot the girl and, believing her dead, then "confirmed the kill".

"I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over," he said.

Palestinian witnesses said they saw the captain shoot Iman twice in the head, walk away, turn back and fire a stream of bullets into her body.

On the tape, Capt R then "clarifies" to the soldiers under his command why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed."

At no point did the Israeli troops come under attack.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

This system is corrupt. Palestinians are not even humans to them.

 

and as always, they are justifying claiming she was a threat.....

 

and if you think about it, even if that wasnt a child, killing anyone in sight is a really stupid tactic to prevent terrorism, you catch theperson and then interrogate them to get info about the terrorists, that would be the logical way to go, but no, for these bastards, killing is more important "shoot first, ask later"

 

they could have surrounded her, made her drop the bag, move away from it, and just offer the girl anything in exchange of information that would be way more valuable, EVEN IF THE GIRL WAS REALLY CARRYING A BOMB, they take the easy road, just shoot her and we're done

 

and he gets forgiven........

 

israel doesnt give a fuk about life, and noone can deny that

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

Oh, look

 

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/498551069857681408/photo/1

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

But those are under egyptian rule, they can close/open it whenever/to whoever they want. But ok, of course it's a hostile action. But Israel not only blocks the sea, but also the airspace, border crossing, money transfers....isn't that a hostile military action? ^^

Israel won because she had new US/EU equipement, while the arabs mostly had Russian stuff and poor training

Can't blame poor training on anyone but themselves. Saudi Arabia, for example buys American military equipment now, but they are far from the level of Israel's military... They actually have taken some things from the US and made them better. drones for example ... The US was using them to help artillery aim , 'after' they saw Israel do it.

Most of the Islamic extremists blame the US for supplying Israel with arms, that's true.

Also, reading today"s news I had to reflect on one comment by a pro-Palestinian post...

"Hamas is only attracting Israeli military targets".

Since when is a kibbutz considered a 'military' facility??????

Continued rocket fire from Gaza into Israel has forced the majority to flee the area into shelters. Which is the "only" reason that the Jewish civilian casualties have been so low ... The rocket attacks were unguided and mean to strike a general area and not a specific one.

[darkwolf 590]

Oh, look

 

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/498551069857681408/photo/1

 What is this thing supposed to mean?

It's so useless, you kill people and pretend you're sending them aid, I'm sure that even Israelis don't believe this cheap propaganda ^^

 

 

Can't blame poor training on anyone but themselves. Saudi Arabia, for example buys American military equipment now, but they are far from the level of Israel's military... They actually have taken some things from the US and made them better. drones for example ... The US was using them to help artillery aim , 'after' they saw Israel do it.

Most of the Islamic extremists blame the US for supplying Israel with arms, that's true.

Also, reading today"s news I had to reflect on one comment by a pro-Palestinian post...

"Hamas is only attracting Israeli military targets".

Since when is a kibbutz considered a 'military' facility??????

Continued rocket fire from Gaza into Israel has forced the majority to flee the area into shelters. Which is the "only" reason that the Jewish civilian casualties have been so low ... The rocket attacks were unguided and mean to strike a general area and not a specific one.

 

Saudi Arabia and other arab countries only started getting US equipement lately, and the reason why they are not in the same level as Israel is because Israel has always been a state in war. And teh help they get doesn't only come from the US, but any other countries as well. How did Israel become a nuclear power? With help from france ;); and what happens when an arab country wants nuclear weapons, the US bombs it ^^

I don't know what the hamas aims to attack, but the numbers proves that 99% of deaths are military.

[Noam Zioni 1,201]

What is this thing supposed to mean?

It's so useless, you kill people and pretend you're sending them aid, I'm sure that even Israelis don't believe this cheap propaganda ^^

Saudi Arabia and other arab countries only started getting US equipement lately, and the reason why they are not in the same level as Israel is because Israel has always been a state in war. And teh help they get doesn't only come from the US, but any other countries as well. How did Israel become a nuclear power? With help from france ;); and what happens when an arab country wants nuclear weapons, the US bombs it ^^

I don't know what the hamas aims to attack, but the numbers proves that 99% of deaths are military.

:facepalm:

This is from the twitter of the government, and all the Israelis believe this thing, because it's true!

If you choose not to believe it's your problem.

My point is the Hamas is blocking us from helping to the citizens in Gaza.

We don't kill them, the Hamas is killing the most of them

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

What is this thing supposed to mean?

It's so useless, you kill people and pretend you're sending them aid, I'm sure that even Israelis don't believe this cheap propaganda ^^

 

 

 

Saudi Arabia and other arab countries only started getting US equipement lately, and the reason why they are not in the same level as Israel is because Israel has always been a state in war. And teh help they get doesn't only come from the US, but any other countries as well. How did Israel become a nuclear power? With help from france ;); and what happens when an arab country wants nuclear weapons, the US bombs it ^^

I don't know what the hamas aims to attack, but the numbers proves that 99% of deaths are military.

That is a completely false statement. It's clear that your being brainwashed if you actually believe that. Not even al jazera is posting this kind of nonsense.

The problem is Hamas, combined with Israeli expansion.

The neighboring Arab population reject any new settlements and Israel knows this.

Hamas is blindly focused on killing anyone who is non-Muslim. After that, they will go after anyone who isn't Muslim enough.

[lego 44,165]

That is a completely false statement. It's clear that your being brainwashed if you actually believe that. Not even al jazera is posting this kind of nonsense.The problem is Hamas, combined with Israeli expansion.The neighboring Arab population reject any new settlements and Israel knows this.Hamas is blindly focused on killing anyone who is non-Muslim. After that, they will go after anyone who isn't Muslim enough.

He's not brainwashed, over 60 israeli causalties are soldiers and maybe 3 are civilian. Last two sentences are so false, you have to know a thing or two about sects and groups and ideologies in Islam. There are Palestinian Christians in Gaza and they always lived in harmony with Muslims there, since Israel is now destroying all mosques without reason, Christians are offering churches for calls for prayer and for refugees, but israeli army was shelling some churches too, while kids were there playing.

Hamas are not takfeeris (if you know what that means) they are not the same as al-qaeda, isis and similar, they don't want to act globally, it's obvious they're created as a resistance and Israel even funded them in beginning.

[darkwolf 590]

That is a completely false statement. It's clear that your being brainwashed if you actually believe that. Not even al jazera is posting this kind of nonsense.

The problem is Hamas, combined with Israeli expansion.

The neighboring Arab population reject any new settlements and Israel knows this.

Hamas is blindly focused on killing anyone who is non-Muslim. After that, they will go after anyone who isn't Muslim enough.

 

I don't watch al jazeera and the numbers are correct, even the Israeli gvt confirms that. 3 civilians were killed + like 60 military.

Hamas is the consequence of Israel's expansion and violations of law for decades, and why would any country accept settlements?

As much as I hate Islamist extremists, it's a complete lie to say that Hamas wants to kill anyone who is non muslim. It's not like the Taliban or something, they are mainly fighting for their country's existance.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

Bye...reality vanished from your posts...