Dolev 867 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 no, but if you discuss it now then the problems and concessions and compromises can be made now, before things turn nasty later. just look at any other conflict situation. Can it get nastier than its already now tbh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Can it get nastier than its already now tbh? who knows, but i do know you can't bring about peace without looking at all these issues and drawing a clear picture of the history, what happened and why for the benefit of future generations and for the victims of the conflict and their families. that means if someone was not justified in doing what they did as part of the conflict, they have to face up to it and openly say so. that goes for both sides, and it also includes the issue of occupation. no ceasefire will ever come about without this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelbHawker 6,583 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Although the attack here was really cruel and violent and it does indeed look horrible on film, do you guys maybe consider that this 15 years old was also violent or did some illegal action before being attacked? There is always 2 sides for the coin. Even so, the Law and Police cannot answer justice with injustice. I highly doubt the boy had done anything terrible prior to being beaten. It's terrible. Extremists, terrorists - call it what you will. The idea that one group is 'superior' to the other is what will continue to tear the Middle East apart. Respect & co-existence is what needs to be taught/brainwashed to those people over there. It's not the existence of religion that fools on this forum seem to use as the cause for all this. Even without religion - do you people think different nations wouldn't fight to be the most powerful? Men wouldn't seek power? Please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 who knows, but i do know you can't bring about peace without looking at all these issues and drawing a clear picture of the history, what happened and why for the benefit of future generaations and for the victims of the conflict and their families. that means if someone was not justified in doing what they did as part of the conflict, they have to face up to it and openly say so. that goes for both sides, and it also includes the issue of occupation. no ceasefire will ever come about without this. If I understand you correctly, you are talking about the need to make it clear as for what happend throughout history. I understand where you are coming from, but those kind of talks have been going for years now with each side sticking to his own and it only created more disagreements and made the conflict look even worse than it is. Thats why I think we should focus about the future and not the past. About what needs to be done in order to make peace come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 If I understand you correctly, you are talking about the need to make it clear as for what happend throughout history. I understand where you are coming from, but those kind of talks have been going for years now with each side sticking to his own and it only created more disagreements and made the conflict look even worse than it is. Thats why I think we should focus about the future and not the past. About what needs to be done in order to make peace come.yep, and through these discussions the peace can come. just because they disagree now doesn't mean they should give up. they should continue indefinitely.telling a palestinian soldier with a rifle today to accept israeli occupation and "just think of the future" is not going to make him put his gun down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 yep, and through these discussions the peace can come. just because they disagree now doesn't mean they should give up. they should continue indefinitely. telling a palestinian soldier with a rifle today to accept israeli occupation and "just think of the future" is not going to make him put his gun down. Don't make it look like Palestinians can manage a state on their own right now. We saw what happend to Gaza right after Israel left out. This is much more complicated than you might think and theres no good and bad in this conflict. Disccusions won't bring peace, only actions, like Israel evacuating its settelments in the West Bank and the Palestinians recognizing Israel as the Jewish state and even more important dissociate themselves from terror orginizations such as Hamas. Those are confidence-building measures. Not arguing who is more right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Don't make it look like Palestinians can manage a state on their own right now. We saw what happend to Gaza right after Israel left out. This is much more complicated than you might think and theres no good and bad in this conflict. Disccusions won't bring peace, only actions, like Israel evacuating its settelments in the West Bank and the Palestinians recognizing Israel as the Jewish state and even more important dissociate themselves from terror orginizations such as Hamas. Those are confidence-building measures. Not arguing who is more right.i don't understand what you are trying to say. it doesn't matter: if they don't talk and agree on something, no one is going to put their weapons down. look at northern ireland. after 30 years of fighting, holding secret talks with the british government over years and years, they finally decided that neither side would defeat the other, and all three states involved after many, many discussions came to an agreement that was put to the public to vote for. it included giving up territorial claims and such, and granting self-determination to all people involved. and they got the ceasefire from this. not everything is perfect now but it was the blueprint to peace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 i don't understand what you are trying to say. it doesn't matter: if they don't talk and agree on something, no one is going to put their weapons down. look at northern ireland. after 30 years of fighting, holding secret talks with the british government over years and years, they finally decided that neither side would defeat the other, and all three states involved after many, many discussions came to an agreement that was put to the public to vote for. it included giving up territorial claims and such, and granting self-determination all people involved. and they got the ceasefire from this. not everything is perfect now but it was the blueprint to peace. Your comparisons are detached from reality. Israel proved she is willing to give up territories for true peace. See what happend with Jordan & Eygpt. The PA only proved it doesn't care. Gearing up with Hamas is the most anti-peace thing they could do. An orgizantion that calls for the destruction of Israel and fires rockets towards its cities won't be a part of any peace process, no need to talk about helping and encouraging one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Your comparisons are detached from reality. Israel proved she is willing to give up territories for true peace. See what happend with Jordan & Eygpt. The PA only proved it doesn't care. Gearing up with Hamas is the most anti-peace thing they could do. An orgizantion that calls for the destruction of Israel and fires rockets towards its cities won't be a part of any peace process, no need to talk about helping and encouraging one.so that's why you need to keep talking with them and work on it over a long period of time :) you can't just expect either side to suddenly agree without having come to some agreement. these actions you refer to will only be considered a defeat by the other side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 There is so much hate violence and the like going on in the Middle East and around there I don't understand why this happens and then religion becomes an excuse for it all Religion is not the excuse between the Isreali-Palestinian conflict. It's part of it, but it's not how it started. The US started it for the most part through the UN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid 13 Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 I have no idea if this boy has done anything or not. I don't support this behaviour because they were beating him even when he was already down. Please Remember that what these soldiers have done isn't reflecting all of Israel's popluation's opinion. Because I'm from Israel, and personally I think that this is kind of wrong, and a lot of other israeli people think like me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Allan Sørensen @allansorensen72 Follow Sderot cinema. Israelis bringing chairs 2 hilltop in sderot 2 watch latest from Gaza. Clapping when blasts are heard. 10:26 PM - 9 Jul 2014 9,173 RETWEETS 1,412 FAVORITES An image of Israelis in Sderot who gathered on a hill to watch and celebrate Gaza being bombed has gone viral on Twitter. The photo posted by a Danish journalist caused uproar online. Allan Sørensen, the Middle Eastern correspondent for the Danish newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad, said that he took the image on Wednesday in Sderot, a city about two kilometers from Gaza. In just a few days the scandalous image has gathered about 8,500 retweets. The picture sparked confusion and outrage among social media users, with many questioning the morality of making a scene of murder a public spectacle and celebrating it. Muly @muly_ Follow @allansorensen72 shame on them. Those lights are killing inocent people! 10:48 PM - 10 Jul 2014 John M. Gallardo @MacJuanma Follow @allansorensen72 That is just inhumane, abominable and disgusting. Shame on you, Israel. @joanneleon 6:14 PM - 10 Jul 2014 One more user commented that people like those in the picture were “encouraging a culture of death.†The newspaper’s follow-up article on Friday described the scene in details where over 50 people had gathered for a “party.†“The hill has been transformed into something that most closely resembles the front row of a reality war theatre. It offers a direct view of the densely populated Gaza Strip,†wrote the paper’s Middle Eastern correspondent Nikolaj Krak. The article said that while the majority of the 25,000 residents of Sderot hid in their homes in fear of another attack from Gaza, others brought chairs and sofas to watch Israeli night airstrikes while enjoying pop-corn, hookah and chit-chatting. "We are here to see Israel destroy Hamas,†Eli Chone, a 22-year-old American living in Israel told Kristeligt Dagblad. He then pointed to a dot of light in the sky explaining that, “it is a fighter who is about to dive. This means that it is about to shoot." Following the airstrike the spectators on the hill started cheering, and “solid applause†followed, the Danish correspondent wrote. Palestinian death toll reaches 130 In the Wednesday attack celebrated by Sderot residents, a Palestinian journalist was killed and several others were injured when a missile hit a press vehicle in the Gaza Strip, according to local media reports. On Tuesday, Israel launched Operation Protective Edge, which it claims is an attack against Hamas militants in Gaza. However, at least 130 Palestinians have been killed and over 900 injured, most of whom are civilians, according to medical officials. Israeli airstrikes killed nine people on Saturday. Israeli forces bombed a center for the disabled in the eastern part of Gaza City, killing two women, according to Palestinian medics. Three militants and four more civilians, including a 65-year-old man, were also killed by airstrikes in the coastal part of the city. One of the strikes targeted a mosque which was reduced to rubble. The Israeli government said it had housed Hamas weapons. Since the military campaign began, there have been no Israeli fatalities. However, over 120 Israelis have been injured, according to local media. Despite UN concerns, international pressure, and protests, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said the strikes will continue. Since July 8, Israel has hit 1,160 targets, according to the country’s military press service. Army Chief Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz also hinted that Israeli tanks and troops are ready to enter Gaza by land. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooke Candy 3,970 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 disgusting buy 'Paper or Plastic' by Brooke candy on iTunes NOW!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 "Despite UN concerns, international pressure, and protests, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said the strikes will continue. Since July 8, Israel has hit 1,160 targets, according to the country’s military press service. Army Chief Lieutenant-General Benny Gantz also hinted that Israeli tanks and troops are ready to enter Gaza by land." Unacceptable. Isn't there anything/anyone that can add some serious pressure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 HORRIBLE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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