Pandemiya 61 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 You're embarrassing yourself so much. that's what my country wants me to think? You're joking? You're so brainwashed it's a tragedy. Oh? Because you think I support war for saying the true use of the tunnels? I actually don't support war anywhere, but try again. the tunnels were actually started in 2011 for terrorist use, but this must be what my country wants me to think right? even after investigation by Egypt too, it's still "propaganda" according to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Combatants are lawful targets during war. Those were not "terror attacks from tunnel to israeli kindergartens" as the war criminal bibi said. So why you play the victims then? Of course, Hamas only targets combatants. The Israel Defense Forces is the only reason civilians are protected in Israel. Let's not act like Hamas respect any laws or never exposed its own intentions. Those terrorist whould have hit Kibbutz Sufa if those soliders were not there to fight them. am I? Show me where exactly I said so. I think its pretty clear who the victims are. Israel has the right to defend itself against Hamas and will take any measurs to do so. If the Gazans are not happy with what Hamas is bringing upon them they should fight it as well. You are vile. Oh you, stahp it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 The U.S. is increasing the pressure. Good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph 375 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 The U.S. is increasing the pressure. Good. It's because (finally) the public's opinion is starting to shift. How many more innocent people need to die? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It's because (finally) the public's opinion is starting to shift. How many more innocent people need to die? Israel is wrong yes, hamas is wrong as well, and many innocent lives have been lost, but until anyone who is anti-Israel can give an alternative way to stop Hamas attacking then what does everyone expect them to do? All I ever see is people complaining about Israel killing innocent people, but nobody can give a different way for Israel to defend it's people from Hamas? Anyone can complain but what's the point if you can't be part of the solution? It's wrong for Israel to kill the people yes, but it would also be wrong for them to do nothing and let their own people get killed- either way innocent people are going to die, the blood just shift to different hands. Hamas was elected leader in Gaza, they chose a fight they cannot win; that's some awful leadership there. Israel is doing the same thing any country would do and defending it's people, at the cost of innocent lives yes, but that's the responsibility of a good government. America retaliated when troubles with Iraq began, but then it was just 'revenge' and not 'mindless slaughter'... It's wrong that innocent people die, no matter how, no matter when, but in that area it's something that has always happened, and probably will always happen unless full-on war begins and one group is wiped out. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong because it's never going to change, it never has, the whole bloody world has a history of war, humans are violent species. The Palestinians want their land back, instead of always fighting over pieces of Earth why not try to create a solution? A good relationship may take much longer to build yes, but it would cost fewer lives in the end and may just lead to a peaceful settlement of it all. Most of the world, which is why I wonder if everyone should be trying to get involved- what do we know? We aren't from there? We aren't affected by it? Who are we to judge as part of Western civilization that was founded on war too? That's the funny issue with global politics, it's hard to decide when intervention is needed or when it is time to step back and let things sort themselves out and worry about other issues that need dealing with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph 375 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Hamas was elected leader in Gaza, they chose a fight they cannot win; that's some awful leadership there. Israel is doing the same thing any country would do and defending it's people, at the cost of innocent lives yes, but that's the responsibility of a good government. America retaliated when troubles with Iraq began, but then it was just 'revenge' and not 'mindless slaughter'... Most of the world, which is why I wonder if everyone should be trying to get involved- what do we know? We aren't from there? We aren't affected by it? Who are we to judge as part of Western civilization that was founded on war too? I appreciate a lot of what you said, but please there's no need to be defensive. I never said or blamed any one side. Just because I sympathize with Palestinians (as I do with innocent Israelis) doesn't mean I'm pro-Hamas, anti-semetic, anti-Israel, whatever. It makes me human. I don't know what will solve this conflict, but I certainly have an idea of what won't. Also, the bold text...I don't believe the Iraqi war as an act of revenge, and I bet you a lot of Americans don't either...If they do, then I'm ashamed. Who are we to judge...Well, it's not so much and judging. It's about wanting innocent people's lives having some semblance of meaning. I feel like the International Community could do so much more, but they aren't. America could be doing so much more to stop this, but we aren't. I'm frustrated with the world. The responsibility of a good government...innocent lives...I have no comment. (Also: The United States was not "founded on war"...that sounds a bit misconstrued. The US was founded on an ideal of freedom, and democracy. The Revolutionary War was necessary in the declaration, acceleration, and actualization of those ideals. If you are referencing the Civil War, the same concept stands if you ask me....The war was necessary in a) re-uniting the country and b) abolishing Slavery.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I'm not trying to be defensive, sorry if it rubbed off that way And America was in a way, the people who migrated to the "New World" wanted to be free from the British, so the Revolutionary War happened. Also I feel like president Bush may have pushed the Iraqi War for revenge from 9/11, but that's just my opinion. I am American too and my parents are Israeli, and I am pro-Israel, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the deaths of the innocent people. I'm against war, I don't support war and neither should anyone. Unfortunately, war does have a toll- innocent lives. It's not fair, but that's war, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterMum 2,532 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I'm not trying to be defensive, sorry if it rubbed off that way And America was in a way, the people who migrated to the "New World" wanted to be free from the British, so the Revolutionary War happened. Also I feel like president Bush may have pushed the Iraqi War for revenge from 9/11, but that's just my opinion. I am American too and my parents are Israeli, and I am pro-Israel, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the deaths of the innocent people. I'm against war, I don't support war and neither should anyone. Unfortunately, war does have a toll- innocent lives. It's not fair, but that's war, sadly. You see the thing is, personally I have no problem with the Israeli trying to stop the Hamas from using the tunnels for example. What I do have a problem with is HOW they carry it out. The disproportionate striking back. War is not fair generally but to involve so so many children when you claim you have such high intelligent bombs and war force, that's what's just not right here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandemiya 61 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 You see the thing is, personally I have no problem with the Israeli trying to stop the Hamas from using the tunnels for example. What I do have a problem with is HOW they carry it out. The disproportionate striking back. War is not fair generally but to involve so so many children when you claim you have such high intelligent bombs and war force, that's what's just not right here. Right. There needs to be PEACE! I just wish hamas would stick to their ceasefire for once.. just once.. I hope for a solution and no more war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toph 375 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I'm not trying to be defensive, sorry if it rubbed off that way And America was in a way, the people who migrated to the "New World" wanted to be free from the British, so the Revolutionary War happened. Also I feel like president Bush may have pushed the Iraqi War for revenge from 9/11, but that's just my opinion. I am American too and my parents are Israeli, and I am pro-Israel, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the deaths of the innocent people. I'm against war, I don't support war and neither should anyone. Unfortunately, war does have a toll- innocent lives. It's not fair, but that's war, sadly. War is particularly lucrative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 You see the thing is, personally I have no problem with the Israeli trying to stop the Hamas from using the tunnels for example. What I do have a problem with is HOW they carry it out. The disproportionate striking back. War is not fair generally but to involve so so many children when you claim you have such high intelligent bombs and war force, that's what's just not right here. No high-tech weapon is gonna help you when your enemy is trying to make you hit its citizens on purpose. If you have any other suggestions on how to handle out mass amount of missiles & tunnels then go ahead and share it with us. :) - Son of Hamas Founder says Peace Btwn Hamas/Israel Will Never Happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQvULn5Au24 Brigitte Gabriel spilling the tea as always https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73NtxQ0OLnQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Palestine will be free of war when they accept Israel an stop letting Hamas operate inside their territory .... If Gaza really wants peace, then they will cease the rocked and mortar fire aimed at Israel. Their incessant complaints of civilian casualties are of their own doing IMO. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adakam 2 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Israel is wrong yes, hamas is wrong as well, and many innocent lives have been lost, but until anyone who is anti-Israel can give an alternative way to stop Hamas attacking then what does everyone expect them to do? All I ever see is people complaining about Israel killing innocent people, but nobody can give a different way for Israel to defend it's people from Hamas? Anyone can complain but what's the point if you can't be part of the solution? It's wrong for Israel to kill the people yes, but it would also be wrong for them to do nothing and let their own people get killed- either way innocent people are going to die, the blood just shift to different hands. Hamas was elected leader in Gaza, they chose a fight they cannot win; that's some awful leadership there. Israel is doing the same thing any country would do and defending it's people, at the cost of innocent lives yes, but that's the responsibility of a good government. America retaliated when troubles with Iraq began, but then it was just 'revenge' and not 'mindless slaughter'... It's wrong that innocent people die, no matter how, no matter when, but in that area it's something that has always happened, and probably will always happen unless full-on war begins and one group is wiped out. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong because it's never going to change, it never has, the whole bloody world has a history of war, humans are violent species. The Palestinians want their land back, instead of always fighting over pieces of Earth why not try to create a solution? A good relationship may take much longer to build yes, but it would cost fewer lives in the end and may just lead to a peaceful settlement of it all. Most of the world, which is why I wonder if everyone should be trying to get involved- what do we know? We aren't from there? We aren't affected by it? Who are we to judge as part of Western civilization that was founded on war too? That's the funny issue with global politics, it's hard to decide when intervention is needed or when it is time to step back and let things sort themselves out and worry about other issues that need dealing with. The problem is the way Israel is handling this, not the conflict, the reason or the history between Israel and Palestine, im sure there are better methods and tactics to reach the hidden missiles than just airstrikes on hospitals and stuff, they are going to excuse it on not risking their soldiers, but then what are soldiers for? they are supposed to fight, find tactics, find a way to flank the buildings, kill the bad guys and take control of the weaponry, thats what a good army should do, plus the attitude that you can see on many places and many people of "all palestines are terrorists, the children are terrorists waiting to grow up, etc" just makes it worse. noone has a lower opinion of the us and their ways than me, but they didnt fight back against afganistan crashing planes on their buildings, they used intelligence even if that meant to risk their soldiers, if hamas is bombing israel, and killing civilians, why use the same method? israel should be the better community and put a end to hamas killing their members, not acting like terrorists and just drop bombs on targets also, I dont feel that storing missiles in hospitals and schools is that bad, they are not firing them from there, just hiding them there right? a good army would just keep an eye on the place, and see where the missiles are taken to, the actual firing spots, that would hurt hamas much more, missiles dont work if you dont have a way to launch them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 also, I dont feel that storing missiles in hospitals and schools is that bad, they are not firing them from there, just hiding them there right? a good army would just keep an eye on the place, and see where the missiles are taken to, the actual firing spots, that would hurt hamas much more, missiles dont work if you dont have a way to launch them Actually there were no weapons hidden in the UN schools and hospitals they bombed so far. Confirmation. No weapons found in UN facilities @secgen :"Nothing is more shameful than attacking sleeping children" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yq9h88X5Xg There is literally no safe place there. Everything is a target. Ambulances, journalists, medical workers, UN workers, open markets, refugee camps, power plant! They don't have places any more at the morgue, dead bodies of kids are piled in ice-cream fridges. FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Ruth Pollard (@rpollard) Reports of a strike on a house in Shati Camp in #Gaza 15 mins after ceasefire. At least 15 injured. Details still coming in. https://twitter.com/rpollard/status/496196454520999936 Reemuchka (@Reem_Salameh) #Israeli airstrike targets a house in Shate'e Refugee in Camp, west of #Gaza, ceasefire u said guys? When? Where? #Israel #GazaUnderAttack†https://twitter.com/Reem_Salameh/status/496196157450620928 Sophie Anmuth (@tweesop) ... RT@ANimer: The Israeli broke their proposed "ceasefire" and target a house belong to AlBakri family in AlShate'a camp, west of #Gaza https://twitter.com/tweesop/status/496196891814920193 FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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