theMonster5 74 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 It's hard to change people when they have been fighting for over 1,000 years. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperIz 7,354 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 This is disgusting. What is really wrong with these people? What is even the point anymore? Human generated art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 The problem with your green line is this: You want more land because your population is expanding, how about the other side and their population? Does it matter at all? Where are they supposed to go? It's like a bully claiming the playground till he has it all to himself and his friends. FALSE! The West Bank and The Gaza strip were both parts of Jordan and Eygpt, respectively. There was never an independent political entity that ruled over those territoris before the Palestinain authority was founded. It is irrelevant and pointless to discuss who were here first and whose more deserveful of this land. Both sites desreves thier own national home to be recognized by each other. Both sites could and should live peacefully by each other in their own countries. The fact is both people are here to say, and for everyone's good we should accept it asap and change our attitude towards each other. Unfortunately, with the recent events taking place over the region (Arab spring and the economical crysis over the world) I don't see how exactly it is going to happen, especially with the current leaderships. On topic, I feel ashamed as an Israeli citizen and a Jew! it is not our way! I condemn any killing of innocent people and I believe most of my fellows too. I am disgust by those killers and they should be punished for thier horrible crimes! R.I.P Mohammed, Gilad, Naftali & Eyal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandchildDavid 14 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 This is him and his mother speaking out about the beating. Poor guy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/07/tariq-abu-khdeir-beaten_n_5565266.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 It is irrelevant and pointless to discuss who were here first and whose more deserveful of this land. Both sites desreves thier own national home to be recognized by each other.that premise can only be accepted if you can accept that israel never should've been created on that territory to the detriment of the people who lived there before the israelis began occupying. only then can you move forward and look at the two peoples, because you can't just say an occupying force deserves to live there without justifying it. it's insulting to both palestinians and israelis. time doesn't start right now. there are issues in the past that need to be addressed before you can move forward, otherwise it'll just be like a covering a wound without treating it. over time it will start to fester, and when it explodes it'll be doom and gloom for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Although the attack here was really cruel and violent and it does indeed look horrible on film, do you guys maybe consider that this 15 years old was also violent or did some illegal action before being attacked? There is always 2 sides for the coin. so you're saying that he did something so wrong to the point he had to be beaten this way? couldn't he just be arrested, and end story? Whatever he did he didn't deserve this. Think about posting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 so you're saying that he did something so wrong to the point he had to be beaten this way? couldn't he just be arrested, and end story? Whatever he did he didn't deserve this. Think about posting I never said he deserved it But do you know some Israeli soilders are thrown on rocks from extreme arabs in Israel for just keeping an eye on the area ? Why do they deserve it? I don't support any violence from any kind, just so you know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I never said he deserved it But do you know some Israeli soilders are thrown on rocks from extreme arabs in Israel for just keeping an eye on the area ? Why do they deserve it? I don't support any violence from any kind, just so you know! lemme just remind you that the Israeli soldiers are armed and protected. How dangerous is rocks against a body Armor and weapons? And yes they deserve it since they've been invading their land, it's simply a way to defend themselves. A teenager doesn't deserve this beating just for throwing rocks at heavily protected soldiers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 lemme just remind you that the Israeli soldiers are armed and protected. How dangerous is rocks against a body Armor and weapons? And yes they deserve it since they've been invading their land, it's simply a way to defend themselves. Get over it How do soilders that aren't even involved in the politics or the government's decisions and are serving the country because of conscription deserve to be hit by rocks? What you're saying is that it is okay to do some kind of violence to 'innocent' people because in their opinion, they are defending themselves. Now to your question about how dangerous rocks are, there are plenty of cases that a soilder had to go to hospital because of this. That's wrong. I am not supporting any specific side here. What i know is that violence in every case is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 How do soilders that aren't even involved in the politics or the government's decisions and are serving the country because of conscription deserve to be hit by rocks? What you're saying is that it is okay to do some kind of violence to 'innocent' people because in their opinion, they are defending themselves. That's wrong. no I'm not I'm saying it's ok to throw rocks at HEAVILY ARMORED SOLDIERS who are INVADING someone else's territory. Those soldiers are occupying Palestine, Palestinians are defending themselves. I don't care if it's because of conscription or not, they still are SOLDIERS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 no I'm not I'm saying it's ok to throw rocks at HEAVILY ARMORED SOLDIERS who are INVADING someone else's territory. Those soldiers are occupying Palestine, Palestinians are defending themselves Those soilders are not responsible of the government's decision. Yes, I think the Israeli Government makes alot of mistakes and so is the Palestinian government. But what did these soilders that are just keeping an eye on the area do? Why do they deserve to get hurt? As i said before, there were plenty of cases of Israelis soilders that had to go to hospital because of those rocks. I don't think an Heavy Armor can protect you from 1000 big rocks being thrown on you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Those soilders are not responsible of the government's decision. Yes, I think the Israeli Government makes alot of mistakes and so is the Palestinian government. But what did these soilders that are just keeping an eye on the area do? Why do they deserve to get hurt? As i said before, there were plenty of cases of Israelis soilders that had to go to hospital because of those rocks. I don't think an Heavy Armor can protect you from 1000 big rocks being thrown on you. and what about the 15 years old who's trying to push them away? why did he deserve this? Even if he threw rocks they still did a HORRIBLE mistake by beating him that way. THINK a little bit They are soldiers, it's their job to keep an eye out and it's still their job if they get hurt in the process. Remember those are soldiers, and that's a 15 years old with no armor and only rocks to defend himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolev 867 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 that premise can only be accepted if you can accept that israel never should've been created on that territory to the detriment of the people who lived there before the israelis began occupying. only then can you move forward and look at the two peoples, because you can't just say an occupying force deserves to live there without justifying it. it's insulting to both palestinians and israelis. time doesn't start right now. there are issues in the past that need to be addressed before you can move forward, otherwise it'll just be like a covering a wound without treating it. over time it will start to fester, and when it explodes it'll be doom and gloom for everyone. Doesn't matter. You can go on disscussing history forever now, that won't change anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 and what about the 15 years old who's trying to push them away? why did he deserve this? Even if he threw rocks they still did a HORRIBLE mistake by beating him that way. THINK a little bit They are soldiers, it's their job to keep an eye out and it's still their job if they get hurt in the process. Remember those are soldiers, and that's a 15 years old with no armor and only rocks to defend himself. He DIDN'T deserve it! That's what I am trying to say. Violence of any kind is horrible and wrong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Doesn't matter. You can go on disscussing history forever now, that won't change anything.no, but if you discuss it now then the problems and concessions and compromises can be made now, before things turn nasty later. just look at any other conflict situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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