Israel - Palestine Conflict Discussion Thread

[Ronlop 6,882]

I am the one with no point here?

Wow you're really a dumbass.

I understand your frustration but this conflict shouldn't make you hate a person for his own opinion.

 

If you want to show an example, talk to people and try to listen to them and they'll hopefully listen to you. Don't call people by names

 

Hope you understand. 

[garnite 8]

I am the one with no point here?

Wow you're really a dumbass.

stop making things worse for yourself and your side. you said you would leave it. you should really do that. or you know, just keep writing insults for no reason at all till you're banned. don't say i didn't warn you. :(

[Ronlop 6,882]

so gays should have their own country? and blacks? instead of integrating them into society with everyone and helping to erase racism, homophobia and anti-semitism, we throw them into this state upon which other people live and create an ongoing conflict situation with death, death, and more death and destruction and terror. everyone else is a whole lot less safer because of israel, INCLUDING the jews. that is NOT how you get rid of anti-semitism. i have no idea where you got this way of thinking but it's destructive.

 

so Iran needs to have their own country?

Iran is a fundamentalist Islam country that their law is based on the Quran. .

[garnite 8]

so Iran needs to have their own country?

Iran is a fundamentalist Islam country that their law is based on the Quran. .

i don't know anything about iran so i can't comment on that particular situation. how is it pertinent?

[Ronlop 6,882]

i don't know anything about iran so i can't comment on that particular situation. how is it pertinent?

You're saying the Jewish people don't have a right to have a country on their own because it's just a religion.

But Iran is a fundamentalist Islam country that their law is completely based on the Quran . They have their own country. 

[garnite 8]

You're saying the Jewish people don't have a right to have a country on their own because it's just a religion.

But Iran is a fundamentalist Islam country that their law is completely based on the Quran . They have their own country.

but iranians live in iran because that's where they're from. iran is not a country specifically for muslims world over. it is a country for the people of iran. they HAPPEN to be fundamentalist muslim led. muslims don't make aliyah to iran from all over the world because iran is the MUSLIM state. there is no muslim state. there are states that HAPPEN to be muslim. iran didn't supplant another nation.

[Ronlop 6,882]

but iranians live in iran because that's where they're from. iran is not a country specifically for muslims world over. it is a country for the people of iran. they HAPPEN to be fundamentalist muslim led. muslims don't make aliyah to iran world over. iran didn't supplant another nation.

But if the Jewish people will live in Iran, they will be either arrested or suffer from harsh racism. 

If Iran is a muslim country, it is specifically for muslim people. The fact that there are alot of muslim countries is just like Israel is the only Jewish country and the Jewish people are from Israel just like people from Iran are from Iran.

[garnite 8]

But if the Jewish people will live in Iran, they will be either arrested or suffer from harsh racism. 

If Iran is a muslim country, it is specifically for muslim people. The fact that there are alot of muslim countries is just like Israel is the only Jewish country and the Jewish people are from Israel just like people from Iran are from Iran.

right, but that's purely because of the attitude of that government. they have an issue that over time will hopefully be solved. we all want peace in the middle east. comparing the harshness of iran with israel probably isn't helping you prop up israel at all, by the way. you point out how unfair and harsh it is in iran - so it's ludicrous to suggest that creating a jewish state founded on the same racist, supremacist principles is the solution.

[Ronlop 6,882]

right, but that's purely because of the attitude of that government. they have an issue that over time will hopefully be solved. we all want peace in the middle east. comparing the harshness of iran with israel probably isn't helping you prop up israel at all, by the way. you point out how unfair and harsh it is in iran - so it's ludicrous to suggest that creating a jewish state founded on the same racist, supremacist principles is the solution.

No.

In Israel, there is alot of arabs living. Alot of arabs can serve for the army. Arabs can work in Israel. Arabs can buy houses in Israel. 

In Israel, the law isn't exactly based on Jewish rules. You don't have to be religious to live there. 

Death isn't allowed in Israel as a court's decision.

 

In Iran, you do. Women have to put on a burqa or those stuff. Women can't cheat on their husband ( literally not allowed to cheat), the media is a government media. No freedom of speech. People can get killed if they go against the government like it happened a few years ago during the revolution. 

[garnite 8]

No.

In Israel, there is alot of arabs living. Alot of arabs can serve for the army. Arabs can work in Israel. Arabs can buy houses in Israel. 

In Israel, the law isn't exactly based on Jewish rules. You don't have to be religious to live there. 

Death isn't allowed in Israel as a court's decision.

 

In Iran, you do. Women have to put on a burqa or those stuff. Women can't cheat on their husband ( literally not allowed to cheat), the media is a government media. No freedom of speech. People can get killed if they go against the government like it happened a few years ago during the revolution. 

i didn't say in that way. i specifically said in terms of racist, supremacist principles - a state for jews, a state for muslims.

[Ronlop 6,882]

i didn't say in that way. i specifically said in terms of racist, supremacist principles - a state for jews, a state for muslims.

 

Racism exists everywhere. Yes, it is sad but the government is surely not supporting racism. 

The government today stopped extreme right citizens in Israel from attacking arabs due to an attempt for "revenge" .

Also, take in mind that the racism mostly comes from extreme right Israelis. 

There are good and bad guys in every country

[garnite 8]

Racism exists everywhere. Yes, it is sad but the government is surely not supporting racism. 

The government today stopped extreme right citizens in Israel from attacking arabs due to an attempt for "revenge" .

Also, take in mind that the racism mostly comes from extreme right Israelis. 

There are good and bad guys in every country

i think creating a state for jews specifically is inherently racist/divisive/bigoted/bad. same as creating a state specifically for white people or black people would be. or gays.

[Ronlop 6,882]

i think creating a state for jews specifically is inherently racist/divisive/bigoted/bad. same as creating a state specifically for white people or black people would be. or gays.

But then you could say the same thing about Iran, South Sudan and North Sudan and more.

 

The difference is that Jewish is not only in a religion way.

Being Jewish is also being connected to Israel as it being a holy land or for many reasons.

This is the connection between the Jews and Israel.

 

Palestine has a similar connection that is based on historical facts that some lived there while the Jewish people were in exile. 

They also have a connection with Israel.

 

The both living together in one country will make a huge gap and cause racism and more terror.

Making two countries in same territory is the right option. Both countries would support eachother's economy. Free entrance to eachother's countries.

 

Do take in mind that the Israeli Arabs will still stay in Israel as they lived there before 1948. So about racism against a kind of "race", it isn't true because the arabs still and always will live in Israel. Have rights in Israel. Could work in Israel and so on.

[garnite 8]

But then you could say the same thing about Iran, South Sudan and North Sudan and more.

 

The difference is that Jewish is not only in a religion way.

Being Jewish is also being connected to Israel as it being a holy land or for many reasons.

This is the connection between the Jews and Israel.

 

Palestine has a similar connection that is based on historical facts that some lived there while the Jewish people were in exile. 

They also have a connection with Israel.

 

The both living together in one country will make a huge gap and cause racism and more terror.

Making two countries in same territory is the right option. Both countries would support eachother's economy. Free entrance to eachother's countries.

 

Do take in mind that the Israeli Arabs will still stay in Israel as they lived there before 1948. So about racism against a kind of "race", it isn't true because the arabs still and always will live in Israel. Have rights in Israel. Could work in Israel and so on.

and i wish those countries would fix their problems too? is that so strange? 

 

well i don't agree. i think partition is damaging, you just have to look at all the other situations of partition around the world to see that. look at the conflicts that began because of partition. this is what israel has done and it would only get worse if there were two states looking over their shoulder at each other and not one.

[Ronlop 6,882]

and i wish those countries would fix their problems too? is that so strange? 

 

well i don't agree. i think partition is damaging, you just have to look at all the other situations of partition around the world to see that. look at the conflicts that began because of partition. this is what israel has done and it would only get worse if there were two states looking over their shoulder at each other and not one.

You want to fix their problems but you don't really say anything about it publicly. I mean... I know you mainly judge Israel's actions while there are alot worst countries.

Just one example: Syria, very close to Israel, has done by far worst actions against their OWN citizens.

 

Back to the topic, I need to disagree but I can understand your point I just researched this and I know that from history, Jewish people will never manage to fully fit in in a society that they don't belong to. The new society in your future country meaning Palestinians and Israelis living together would cause another wave of racism and competition between the two different kind of people.

Palestinians = Israelis= Human Beings

 

But there are obvious gaps between the two and it's hard to ignore. It would take 1000 years for the gaps to dissapear. 

 

2 countries can assure a country that is Jewish and can assure safety for the jewish people while also being in cooperation with the Palestinian country in economy and more. 

 

 

Again, I respect your opinion I just disagree with it.