Gomstre 2 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 except it's divided by JEWS and ARABS. it's racist and the fact that israel gets to jump in on top of palestine as a legal state is supremacy. And Italy and Germany are divided by Germans and Italians. It's a state for each nation, not racist at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomstre 2 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 no, jewish aren't the rightful owners because they were literally PLACED there while the territory was claimed by palestinians and the british invaded them, how the hell do you expect the to react? stay there and not do anything? they defended themselves and Israel still wanted the territory, that's NOT fair imo cause yall came right in and took their territory Wow, you've got a tremendous amount of history to catch up. It's a tough issue, some people say something and some say the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 And Italy and Germany are divided by Germans and Italians. It's a state for each nation, not racist at all. because that's where those two peoples happened to be born and raised, historically, over a long period of time. the creation of a state within someone else's country where you would force out the natives and supplant them with people who are selected purely on religious ground is inherently bigoted and racist and backwards and not something that should happen in the 20th century let alone ever. apartheid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomstre 2 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 because that's where those two peoples happened to be born and raised, historically, over a long period of time. the creation of a state within someone else's country where you would force out the natives and supplant them with people who are selected purely on religious ground is inherently bigoted and racist and backwards and not something that should happen in the 20th century let alone ever. apartheid. Do you even read what I'm writing? Historically the Jews have some reasons to claim the ownership of the territory too, it's always been a complicated issue. Open some books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Are you even read what I'm writing? Historically the Jews have some reasons to claim the ownership of the territory too, it's always been a complicated issue. Open some books.a historical claim to a contested area is completely irrelevant. who lived there? should we now bulldoze homes in america to make room for native americans? or decide to create a special native american state within america right in the middle, cutting off segments of other states and forcing all those people to give up their homes and livelihoods? no, not if you have a heart, which you clearly don't. the world would be a worse place now if we all decided to create an arbitrary monstrosity like israel within every country. we'd all be dead, probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHANTEL 2 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 a historical claim to a contested area is completely irrelevant. who lived there? should we now bulldoze homes in america to make room for native americans? or decide to create a special native american state within america right in the middle, cutting off segments of other states and forcing all those people to give up their homes and livelihoods? no, not if you have a heart, which you clearly don't. the world would be a worse place now if we all decided to create an arbitrary monstrosity like israel within every country. we'd all be dead, probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 a historical claim to a contested area is completely irrelevant. who lived there? should we now bulldoze homes in america to make room for native americans? or decide to create a special native american state within america right in the middle, cutting off segments of other states and forcing all those people to give up their homes and livelihoods? no, not if you have a heart, which you clearly don't. the world would be a worse place now if we all decided to create an arbitrary monstrosity like israel within every country. we'd all be dead, probably. You saying an historical claim is irrelevant is completely not heading for "peace". Do you want peace or do you want to listen to yourself 24/7? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 You saying an historical claim is irrelevant is completely not heading for "peace". Do you want peace or do you want to listen to yourself 24/7?can you make a point or are we done already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 can you make a point or are we done already? What point can we make? We both are just people. We are not a government and this conflict is not going to end tomorrow. The Palestinian people need their own country but the Israeli people also need their own country and they have the right to be in Israel just like the Palestinians have. The fact you say historical claim is irrelevant just confirms that you are not really willing to make peace because you're not willing to even LISTEN to the other side( The israelis) . Why should THEY listen to you? Listen to yourself and forget where you're coming from, how you were raised. The citizens want peace. The governments of both sides are not letting this happen. If you ask me, a government that is supported by Hamas- a terror organization, should not be allowed to create a country. period. On topic, the fact this 16 years old boy was killed is horrible and it's sad that this happened. But it just shows one thing... there will be no peace if both sides will not listen to eachother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 What point can we make?We both are just people. We are not a government and this conflict is not going to end tomorrow. The Palestinian people need their own country but the Israeli people also need their own country and they have the right to be in Israel just like the Palestinians have. The fact you say historical claim is irrelevant just confirms that you are not really willing to make peace because you're not willing to even LISTEN to the other side( The israelis) . Why should THEY listen to you? Listen to yourself and forget where you're coming from, how you were raised. The citizens want peace. The governments of both sides are not letting this happen. If you ask me, a government that is supported by Hamas- a terror organization, should not be allowed to create a country. period. On topic, the fact this 16 years old boy was killed is horrible and it's sad that this happened. But it just shows one thing... there will be no peace if both sides will not listen to eachother.no they don't need their own country. WHY do they need their own country? explain that to me. one country for both people is the most reasonable solution. you only want two states to pursue your zionist fantasies. well, no. no such thing as "jewish" state, just equal states, which means being inclusive of both peoples within the one space of land.no it doesn't confirm that at all. no idea where you're going with that. totally meaningless. even if they have a historical claim, what they have done in pursuing it is unconscionable. i have absolutely no idea why you think that means i'm not willing to listen. just because i disagree doesn't mean i'm unwilling to listen. no clue where you got that idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomstre 2 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 a historical claim to a contested area is completely irrelevant. who lived there? should we now bulldoze homes in america to make room for native americans? or decide to create a special native american state within america right in the middle, cutting off segments of other states and forcing all those people to give up their homes and livelihoods? no, not if you have a heart, which you clearly don't. the world would be a worse place now if we all decided to create an arbitrary monstrosity like israel within every country. we'd all be dead, probably. Your fictional situations and what that has happened are totally different. You cannot compare them. But since you're never going to understand that let's just leave it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Your fictional situations and what that has happened are totally different. You cannot compare them. But since you're never going to understand that let's just leave it.well we're going to have to leave it if you don't make any point, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronlop 6,882 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 no they don't need their own country. WHY do they need their own country? explain that to me. one country for both people is the most reasonable solution. no it doesn't confirm that at all. no idea where you're going with that. totally meaningless. even if they have a historical claim, what they have done in pursuing it is unconscionable. i have absolutely no idea why you think that means i'm not willing to listen. just because i disagree doesn't mean i'm unwilling to listen. no clue where you got that idea. History has shown several times that the Jewish people have been persecuted in exile. If you want the worst case, the Holocaust. Thus making the Jewish people have the right to have their own country where they can be the leaders of it and not let anyone in any way hurt them. One country for both people is not an option because the Jewish People need to live together as one or they will be persecuted and the antisemitism will go on and on. Now, the Palestinians have the same right to be in Israel because they lived here while the Jewish people were in exile. They need also a country right here in Israel. but NOT a country that it's government is runned by Hamas- A terror organization that confirmed that they were in charge of the murder of the 3 boys that were kidnapped. When the Palestinian people will have a government that is free from terror, they should have a country. Because even if they will have a country now, the terror will continue and nothing good will happen. Now, you ask why the Jewish People have historical claim? Because according to the bible, they lived there and that is their holy place. Both the Jewish People and the Palestinians have the right to live in Israel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomstre 2 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 well we're going to have to leave it if you don't make any point, yes. I am the one with no point here? Wow you're really a dumbass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnite 8 Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 History has shown several times that the Jewish people have been persecuted in exile. If you want the worst case, the Holocaust. Thus making the Jewish people have the right to have their own country where they can be the leaders of it and not let anyone in any way hurt them. One country for both people is not an option because the Jewish People need to live together as one or they will be persecuted and the antisemitism will go on and on. Now, the Palestinians have the same right to be in Israel because they lived here while the Jewish people were in exile. They need also a country right here in Israel. but NOT a country that it's government is runned by Hamas- A terror organization that confirmed that they were in charge of the murder of the 3 boys that were kidnapped. When the Palestinian people will have a government that is free from terror, they should have a country. Because even if they will have a country now, the terror will continue and nothing good will happen. Now, you ask why the Jewish People have historical claim? Because according to the bible, they lived there and that is their holy place. Both the Jewish People and the Palestinians have the right to live in Israel.so gays should have their own country? and blacks? instead of integrating them into society with everyone and helping to erase racism, homophobia and anti-semitism, we throw them into this state upon which other people live and create an ongoing conflict situation with death, death, and more death and destruction and terror. everyone else is a whole lot less safer because of israel, INCLUDING the jews. that is NOT how you get rid of anti-semitism. i have no idea where you got this way of thinking but it's destructive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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