ryhanna 3,507 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I agree with you to an extent. But she wasn't compromising her artistic integrity while making TFM/BTW and those two albums had songs that everyone could relate to. That's what I miss about Gaga's music. ARTPOP was an album full of songs that are closely connected to her own experiences (which is totally fine, I mean, she is the artist) but that led to people not being able to connect to her. I know I had that issue. A lot of ARTPOP songs are highly conceptual (lyrics-wise) and that's not necessarily a bad thing unless you can also deliver in the relatability department. All of the BTW/TFM fell very personal, very intimate, honest and that's what makes that album special, whereas ARTPOP lacks that intimate atmosphere. Sure, I am all up for her having strong concepts, but just make them real and human. No offence, but aren't the boldest statements kind of contradictory? Basically what you've said is that TFM/BTW are relatable and personal, yet ARTPOP is about Gaga's experiences. Secondly, I don't really want to get too into this, but I agree that I found ARTPOP difficult to connect with. Though being artistic doesn't necessarily mean being relatable. No doubt there will be some ideas more relatable than others, and some that have a much narrower focus. I don't mind, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 The Fame's concept wasn't simple, but okay. :) You can continue to stan for ARTPOP just because it's new. It's a great album. It's fantastic. But the fact that you're trying to tear down past albums that d e f i n e d her as an artist is just funny to me. Who's tearing down the album? I'm not. I just find that it isn't as good as the others. Not saying it's bad. Not in anyway. And I don't stan for ARTPOP because it's new. I stan for it because it's good. And I find it quite offensive you would assume that. And I can come up with a ton of reasons why I think people stan for The Fame and The Fame Monster but I don't say it because that would just be a rude assumption. You just assumed that I stan for ARTPOP because it's new. And The Fame's concept isn't simple but in comparisson to ARTPOP and her other albums I find it is the simplest. And who said simple was bad? ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblahblahhhh 15 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 No offence, but aren't the boldest statements kind of contradictory? Basically what you've said is that TFM/BTW are relatable and personal, yet ARTPOP is about Gaga's experiences. Secondly, I don't really want to get too into this, but I agree that I found ARTPOP difficult to connect with. Though being artistic doesn't necessarily mean being relatable. No doubt there will be some ideas more relatable than others, and some that have a much narrower focus. I don't mind, personally. Haha, true that, those statements sound extremely contradictory I learned from the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,166 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 PRISMPOP The awkward moment when I am listening to PRISM while reading this :lmao: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LStephens11 15 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 ARTPOP had a big concept? I thought she was just having fun, since this was a less mature album compared to the rest as she mentioned on twitter in 2012 or so. ha britney jean is coming Oh Britney... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 She should have a strong concept, but not that engaging at the same time. Something simple but strong like The Fame / The Fame Monster. Born This Way was the best thing ever. ARTPOP was a fail (overall) ... But honestly she should just do her thing. If she really doesn't care about success then fine, if she does then she'll have to plan everything a lil bit better. Born This Way and ARTPOP were both very angeging (not tha it's a bad thing of course). They were not simple concepts like TF/TFM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxckk 959 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 i just want a concept that gaga knows all about and knows how to discuss it and explain it so that when shes asked in interviews she just doesn't say "it could mean anything" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 She should just write and record music and then pick the best 15 songs and then see what best deflects them and use that as a title. It's simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antidote 95 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I'm still here for a heavy concept. I'm just done with the "Art in Pop and in everything" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 A "heavy concept" was not the problem with ARTPOP. A majority of the songs don't even follow the supposed concept. G.U.Y. Sexxx Dreams Jewels N Drugs MANiCURE Do What U Want Swine Donatella Fashion! Mary Jane Holland Dope Gypsy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariano 958 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Born This Way and ARTPOP were both very angeging (not tha it's a bad thing of course). They were not simple concepts like TF/TFM. Exactly what I meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 She already did this with ARTPOP. What she should do is something like The Fame Monster where the concept is pretty dark and heavy, but it doesn't get in the way of the music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop 4,541 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 DARKER, more minimalist but avantgarde fashion more SERIOUS, grown up sound. Please, Gaga. ARTPOP was too much Katy Perry tbh The Taylor Brigade: KNOCKOUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 A "heavy concept" was not the problem with ARTPOP. A majority of the songs don't even follow the supposed concept. G.U.Y. Sexxx Dreams Jewels N Drugs MANiCURE Do What U Want Swine Donatella Fashion! Mary Jane Holland Dope Gypsy I don't think it's necessarily that they don't follow the concept (they definitely do, at least according to things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQl3j8nyaE - it's from the BTW era so it's possible that her ideas have changed since then, but I consider it to be the best simple explanation of ARTPOP that we have). I think the "problem" is that those songs are not about the concept, and that the album/concept isn't entirely new. I don't personally mind this at all, but I get the feeling that's what throws people off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbuHassan1992 766 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 And also ARTPOP commented on pop culture. Gaga did this through her art (music). With songs like DWUW, ARTPOP and Donatella Gaga targets pop culture through her art. That is litterally what the fame is. A commentary on pop culture. But you're not answering my questions. Where is the art in the music? Commenting on pop culture isn't really art per se. Do explain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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