2NE1LG 193 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Wait so unless it's referring to something like wearing a Mona Lisa dress, chopping her ear off like Van Gogh it can't be art? Can't blame Gaga for the lack of your own artistic knowledge. I wouldn't necessarily say that some have a lack of artistic knowledge. It's just that some fans have a hard time connecting her creative statement to the actual music itself. Gaga said how ARTPOP was about bringing art (whether it be visual art, fashion, technology, etc.) and putting it to the forefront, which she has always done. I just think people are trying to find the connect between the intention and the music when ARTPOP is more than just the music. Like someone said before on this thread, it's the term that describes her artistry from the beginning of her career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar 604 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 She should've never named it "ARTPOP" in the first place.... The only art for me would be the album cover.. Which can also be enough for a severe critic: like a soup can is on a canvas (popart), now an art piece is in the cover of a pop album (ARTPOP). I insist on the fact Gaga said she didn't create this. She's just acknowledging a movement started many decades ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo 3,000 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Slay me. :ARTPOP: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,629 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 When will people realise that being artistic doesn't just mean referencing other art or being high brow, it means creating something with deep meaning and beauty. If you're stuck, check out the Applause video, the G.U.Y. video, the artRAVE release party, the artRAVE Ball, the album artwork, the album itself, the entire I+V photoshoot, the Bubble Dress 2.0, the SwineFest, SXSW, Volantis or any other element of this album era. Leo speaks the truth :applause: Do your own research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBoot 27 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I can see where she was getting at, and I can see the art in it. "Art" is a very subjective thing, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,392 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Gaga's only fault with ARTPOP is that her fans were to stupid to realize that's it's a general term she's using to refer to her way of approaching pop music. With constant references and experimentation with concepts - like in art. Ironically, ARTPOP doesn't have a concept. It focuses on process. This would have been much more apparent to y'all in 2007/2008 when most of pop was mindless and standard with no attempt at going beneath the surface. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge 0 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 What song is different to be called artistic? The other albums didn't include Art? I think the other albums were more "artistic" than ARTPOP actually is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLuna 12,732 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Music is a form of art. What makes this more artistic than other music is the way she created music out of her emotions. A track like Aura screams energy. Swine is such a powerful and strong song in which you can feel and hear the angriness of what she felt. Applause, on the other hand, is a very happy song. Why? Because Gaga felt that those instrumentals and vocals portrayed the emotions that she wanted to show. That's what makes ARTPOP more artistic (and raw) than for example a Britney album: because Britney's music doesn't show any kind of emotion, rawness, passion (and thus no art), because it isn't made from her own heart and she can't 'feel ' the lyrics like Gaga does,because she didn't write it. Another thing is the numerous artistic references and the experimentalness shown in some of the tracks. :tea: Art is about expressing yourself and your views through a certain medium. Music is a medium. Gaga uses music to express herself and her views. Therefore, ARTPOP is art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XoXoJoanneGaga 629 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Well her music has always been "ARTPOP". The "problem" with the album is that the title and concept of the album is literally just the name of the type of music she's always made, so it becomes at once very demanding and incredibly open-ended, because the possibilities are endless and no one knows what to expect going into it, so you're supposed to just experience it and then take away from it what you will, everyone will have different interpretations and there's no right or wrong answer. Your mileage will simply vary based on how much you enjoy the music. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosalina 612 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 The definition of art is not limited to pretty sculptures and paintings, as most of society believes. Art is something that encourages people to think and make judgements. Art has a million different interpretations, and good art is something that challenges an audience to think deeper than one normally would. With today's commercially-driven, non-thought provoking music, there is no artistic integrity. Songs are too obvious and there is no hidden meaning, or alternative interpretation. In ARTPOP, for example, songs like Aura, G.U.Y, Do What U Want, Donatella, Swine, MJH, Dope, Applause, etc are not so obvious and challenge you to think for yourself what the meaning of the song is. They use vivid imagery and poetic form to challenge audiences and provoke discussion and debate. That is the definition of Art, and she has achieved that aim with ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexxx 2,244 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I'll never understand it so... I just hope she continues to do good work that's all Lady Gaga/ Madonna/Lana /Azealia Banks/ Jazmine Sullivan/ DEEE-LITE/ Moko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRANK1991 3,329 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Even though there wasn't a lot of "art" in the songs, Gaga collaborated with different artists in the ARTPOP era Jeff Koons and the Venus painting by Sandro Botticelli and other Roman Greek sculptures for the photoshoots Marina Abramović performing artist Robert Wilson art pieces at the Louvre Applause video also had inspiration from French film The Frog by Segundo De Chomon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed1kBEO1bPs Cause once you let it go you better know it's gone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrosia 3,775 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 When will people realise that being artistic doesn't just mean referencing other art or being high brow, it means creating something with deep meaning and beauty. If you're stuck, check out the Applause video, the G.U.Y. video, the artRAVE release party, the artRAVE Ball, the album artwork, the album itself, the entire I+V photoshoot, the Bubble Dress 2.0, the SwineFest, SXSW, Volantis or any other element of this album era. Thank you for that observation, Leo. She chiseled out the lyrics, transformed them onto her canvas, and sculpted some beautiful music. Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others. -Socrates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nein 508 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 When will people realise that being artistic doesn't just mean referencing other art or being high brow, it means creating something with deep meaning and beauty. If you're stuck, check out the Applause video, the G.U.Y. video, the artRAVE release party, the artRAVE Ball, the album artwork, the album itself, the entire I+V photoshoot, the Bubble Dress 2.0, the SwineFest, SXSW, Volantis or any other element of this album era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,762 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 With AP Gaga means giving artistic references to her music. Its not only this album but all her albums, this is what she does. Now she just gave it a name and made it a part of her legacy. This, and what you said in post #15 here: http://gagadaily.com/index.php/topic/106826-ARTPOPs-meaning-for-gaga/ Somehow, I think you have the best handle on what has been a perplexing subject for so many for so long. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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