Why ARTPOP isn't as successful as it should've been?

[aaronyoji 2,054]

Everything you've described is exactly how she was during The Fame Monster-era and we all know how popular and successful it was. So its not a matter of art being brought into the equation, its not a matter of her ego, and its not even a matter of how "relatable" she is to the public because by your (and most peoples logic) shes never been particularly "relatable".

 

What the problem is imo is how she puts it all together. She had all the right ingredients and interesting intentions that somehow resulted in something unpolished. Thats the best way I could describe this era, its her most unpolished but not in a way thats complimentary. Its not nearly raw enough to be described unpolished as a compliment. I think she needs a shift in how her work comes together. She needs a better editing eye, maybe a broader scope in sound. I think shes so concerned with being contrary that sometimes she lets quality slip by without even realizing it.

 

Its not about her needing to make "radio ready" music either because, despite what ive seen some fools say, this album does have radio ready hits. The reason they're not succeeding is because of the aforementioned statement I made and also simply because she is Lady Gaga. The public have made up their mind about her and therefore regardless of how catchy something she makes is they sort of roll their eyes and immediately come up with some statement of indifference or opposition because they assume because its her its not respectable. Shes lost the respect of the media and a lot of the critics are the media now and a lot of critics are just fan bloggers. She was hit with a backlash last era thats dripped over to this era. ARTPOP isn't her best album, but its certainly not bad either. Its just fine. But that brings me to the last fault I found in this era, the album was fine. Nothing more or less and was not a drastic enough aesthetic change to alter peoples negative perception of her and keep their heads turning back in her direction. Theres no reason a song like Do What U Want or G.U.Y. shouldn't be at the top of the charts considering all the mediocrity up there (Roar, Timber, Counting Stars). Its just because shes Lady Gaga.

Honestly you've said everything I've been thinking. The album is too nice, to much of a compromise between all these contradictory ideas.

[aaronyoji 2,054]

Yeah I find it kind of silly how some people continue to harp on about her needing to make "generic" or "radio friendly" music because she does make radio friendly music. I mean Do What U Want, G.U.Y., Sex Dreams, Gypsy, Donatella, Fashion, MANiCURE, Applause, Aura....its all radio friendly. Even if I don't like a song or two that I listed I still think they could've been sent to radio. I could imagine when making it she probably thought Jewels n Drugs was radio friendly as well (although I think its so useless).

 

The only songs off this record that to me did not have any radio potential were Swine, ARTPOP and Venus.

 

With Born This Way fine, there were a handful of songs that I didn't think were suitable for radio (and not because they were too "artistic"). But ARTPOP? I mean, this album is totally radio suited. I feel like a lot of people just grab a Gaga-criticism from the shelf without any rhyme or reason.

It's so odd to me what the gp decides to complain about cuz one of gagas biggest criticisms her whole career is that her music is never as weird as her image or persona and yet when she follows her creative conscious with songs like aura, people say she has an ego or that she's selfish for basically not considering other peoples taste on music.

I feel like with tos era she tried to pander and it ended up backfiring, and them tried to mask it with her newfound creative rebellious attitude in hopes of making it seem like ARTPOP has always carried that same message by it hasn't for the most part.

[VasilisVas 5,164]

As I've been saying since the album was released, this album is absolutely nothing special. The music is boring, and it was very overhyped. Personally, this is my least favorite Gaga album. I'm sure promotion has a lot to with the album not being as successful, but if the music isn't great, then all the promotion in the world can't save the album or change anything. Nobody wants to hear about how art and pop belong together (ARTPOP). Nobody care about Gaga traveling all around the world and being a "Gypsy" with no real home. Nobody cares about Gaga needing the applause on stage to feel "alive". People just want to hear relatable music. The only songs that I feel may be relatable on ARTPOP are Sexxx Dreams, Venus, maybe Dope, and that's probably it. The music on this album just wasn't fun, and most of the lyrics.... . I don't understand why this album was once called the sister of TFM. TFM is miles ahead of this album, and it's 5 years old. 

[blacklistedd 599]

As I've been saying since the album was released, this album is absolutely nothing special. The music is boring, and it was very overhyped. Personally, this is my least favorite Gaga album. I'm sure promotion has a lot to with the album not being as successful, but if the music isn't great, then all the promotion in the world can't save the album or change anything. Nobody wants to hear about how art and pop belong together (ARTPOP). Nobody care about Gaga traveling all around the world and being a "Gypsy" with no real home. Nobody cares about Gaga needing the applause on stage to feel "alive". People just want to hear relatable music. The only songs that I feel may be relatable on ARTPOP are Sexxx Dreams, Venus, maybe Dope, and that's probably it. The music on this album just wasn't fun, and most of the lyrics.... . I don't understand why this album was once called the sister of TFM. TFM is miles ahead of this album, and it's 5 years old. 

 

I'm sorry but in reading your opinion I think you have a very young stan sort of mindset....I mean some of these criticisms are just a little bit silly and don't seem rooted from any sort of logic. Its a little lazy I mean.....overhyped? Overhyped how? There was hardly any hype for this album at all especially in comparison to her previous ones. Relatibility has literally nothing to do with this albums lack of success and the songs you listed as unrelatable and relatable seem so off the mark when considering what could be relatable or not on this record.

 

I feel like you just don't have a clue.

[jxckk 959]

As I've been saying since the album was released, this album is absolutely nothing special. The music is boring, and it was very overhyped. Personally, this is my least favorite Gaga album. I'm sure promotion has a lot to with the album not being as successful, but if the music isn't great, then all the promotion in the world can't save the album or change anything. Nobody wants to hear about how art and pop belong together (ARTPOP). Nobody care about Gaga traveling all around the world and being a "Gypsy" with no real home. Nobody cares about Gaga needing the applause on stage to feel "alive". People just want to hear relatable music. The only songs that I feel may be relatable on ARTPOP are Sexxx Dreams, Venus, maybe Dope, and that's probably it. The music on this album just wasn't fun, and most of the lyrics.... . I don't understand why this album was once called the sister of TFM. TFM is miles ahead of this album, and it's 5 years old. 

 

not really though, i mean, how do you relate to "its going down i'm yelling timber"?   its not a relate-able song, its just really catchy and constantly played in clubs which made it #1, a lot of the songs on ARTPOP are catchy but due to other factors during this era such as poor promotion and messy single choices has led to the performance of the songs being rather underwhelming. Its also because a lot of people are tired of her and want any reason to be able to put her down, she's an artist that you either love or hate and with BTW a lot of people turned on her and its came through again in this era. Gypsy is radio friendly because its catchy enough and not too different from other pop stuff going around at the moment. A lot of stuff on ARTPOP would be accepted to radio, Venus, G.U.Y., MANiCURE, Do What U Want, Fashion!, Gypsy, Applause are all radio friendly and would be played on radio tbh. Lyrics don't really matter anymore in my opinion, obviously taking offensive stuff out of the equation, as long as people can dance and sing to it then they will buy it.

[VasilisVas 5,164]

I'm sorry but in reading your opinion I think you have a very young stan sort of mindset....I mean some of these criticisms are just a little bit silly and don't seem rooted from any sort of logic. Its a little lazy I mean.....overhyped? Overhyped how? There was hardly any hype for this album at all especially in comparison to her previous ones. Relatibility has literally nothing to do with this albums lack of success and the songs you listed as unrelatable and relatable seem so off the mark when considering what could be relatable or not on this record.

 

I feel like you just don't have a clue.

 

This is my opinion. I don't appreciate being told I have a very "young" stan sort of mindset. This is what I think; this is what I feel. If you don't like my opinion, then simply ignore it. This is a forum, and people are on here to post their opinions. I did not say anything to offend anyone in here, so please take a seat and be more courteous with your responses. If you can't handle someone's opinion, it's in your best interest to keep it moving and not say anything. Thanks.

[VasilisVas 5,164]

not really though, i mean, how do you relate to "its going down i'm yelling timber"?   its not a relate-able song, its just really catchy and constantly played in clubs which made it #1, a lot of the songs on ARTPOP are catchy but due to other factors during this era such as poor promotion and messy single choices has led to the performance of the songs being rather underwhelming. Its also because a lot of people are tired of her and want any reason to be able to put her down, she's an artist that you either love or hate and with BTW a lot of people turned on her and its came through again in this era. Gypsy is radio friendly because its catchy enough and not too different from other pop stuff going around at the moment. A lot of stuff on ARTPOP would be accepted to radio, Venus, G.U.Y., MANiCURE, Do What U Want, Fashion!, Gypsy, Applause are all radio friendly and would be played on radio tbh. Lyrics don't really matter anymore in my opinion, obviously taking offensive stuff out of the equation, as long as people can dance and sing to it then they will buy it.

 

Perhaps you are right, but she was gone for a little over two years after BTW. I would think that's enough time for people to actually miss her. Who knows? At this point it is what it is.  ;)

[blacklistedd 599]

This is my opinion. I don't appreciate being told I have a very "young" stan sort of mindset. This is what I think; this is what I feel. If you don't like my opinion, then simply ignore it. This is a forum, and people are on here to post their opinions. I did not say anything to offend anyone in here, so please take a seat and be more courteous with your responses. If you can't handle someone's opinion, it's in your best interest to keep it moving and not say anything. Thanks.

 

Oh my god stop, this is what this forum is for. This right here. "I have this opinion" "I dont like this opinion and heres why" etc etc the dialogue goes on. If I see one more person try to pull the "i have a right to my opinion" card when someone challenges what they willingly put out into the ether of a pop forum I swear...

 

Obviously that is what you feel, but I believe your criticisms to be a little lazy. Explain to me why someone who likes Monster or Sheisse could logically dislike Sex Dreams or G.U.Y? It just doesn't make much sense to me. Its all from the same sound pool of her music. How is one boring and the other not?

 

As for what you said about her not delivering the type of "artistic" or "creative" music implied with her talk about art, that I can agree with. I think she pointed the critical daggers straight to her heart when she brought the term "art" not only into the equation of the concept of the album but into the title itself. It seemed a little silly. To make art you should make art, not just proclaim it. I think she delivered a good commercial pop record though that had no logical reason to do so poorly other than the fact that it was coming from her. However, I just dont see the album as anything interesting enough to be considered a concept album when it was supposedly to be one.

[President Trump 3,508]

no and ur just completely guessing

[badboymonsterx 540]

umm I know this kind of sucks to say lol but gaga is never gonna be on top like she was a few years ago. BTW completely ruined the image that the GP had of her. She lost too many fans and people are fickle too. It's ok we have her all to ourselves now <3

[Antidote 95]

I agree! Most of ARTPOP was more mainstream than The Fame tbh. She lost the balance she had, but could have still succeeded if her image, marketing, and her preaching were better placed.

Yes and the problem is I didn't expect it. It's okay do make mainstream music but the way she hyped it and talked about ARTPOP I just expected something different and I was like

 

Yeah you're right about the marketing and also the preaching. I'm curious now if she will be like "f... the media I don't care" or if she will change things with the next record

[GagaDragon 10]

Yeah I find it kind of silly how some people continue to harp on about her needing to make "generic" or "radio friendly" music because she does make radio friendly music. I mean Do What U Want, G.U.Y., Sex Dreams, Gypsy, Donatella, Fashion, MANiCURE, Applause, Aura....its all radio friendly. Even if I don't like a song or two that I listed I still think they could've been sent to radio. I could imagine when making it she probably thought Jewels n Drugs was radio friendly as well (although I think its so useless).

 

The only songs off this record that to me did not have any radio potential were Swine, ARTPOP and Venus.

 

With Born This Way fine, there were a handful of songs that I didn't think were suitable for radio (and not because they were too "artistic"). But ARTPOP? I mean, this album is totally radio suited. I feel like a lot of people just grab a Gaga-criticism from the shelf without any rhyme or reason.

This so much, i really don't understand where this notion that ARTPOP was some out of this world new music that no one else is doing. People call TF generic, but ARTPOP is even more imo bar a few songs.

[tokyodisko 0]

Yes and the problem is I didn't expect it. It's okay do make mainstream music but the way she hyped it and talked about ARTPOP I just expected something different and I was like

 

Yeah you're right about the marketing and also the preaching. I'm curious now if she will be like "f... the media I don't care" or if she will change things with the next record

I love mainstream Gaga- it's good pop music, but still has her Gaga-edge, which is why people liked her. 

 

I think she's going to slowly transition. Move from "fxck media/critics" to be preaching about being oneself and with what we have seen for artRave planned, she isn't going overboard and it looks polished, which she hasn't been in a while. I think that will help turn criticism and media around. She wants to be back on top otherwise she wouldn't have claimed that ARTPOP was made for radio hits. She was off the mark, because she was in a bad place, firing Troy had bad timing, and I think SXSW was the last "FU" to people- I think it was her sending off all the anger and hate she felt. While I didn't really care for  SXSW I am all for it if it means Gaga is level headed again and knows she needs to get it together and focus on the more important things when it comes to being Gaga. VictimGa is so unappealing and I think she is mostly gone. 

[Raivo 181]

Nobody wants to hear about how art and pop belong together (ARTPOP). Nobody care about Gaga traveling all around the world and being a "Gypsy" with no real home. Nobody cares about Gaga needing the applause on stage to feel "alive". People just want to hear relatable music. The only songs that I feel may be relatable on ARTPOP are Sexxx Dreams, Venus, maybe Dope, and that's probably it.

I pretty much agree. When I listened to this album, I told my friend: BTW she wrote for and about us, ARTPOP she wrote about herself, about her experiences, udrenaline rushes she has had as she herself said. I am not saying that it is bad, but I can really see that it is just not that relatable, as for example:Pokerface, Bad Romance, Telephone, Born This Way etc.

 

To relatable songs from ARTPOP I would add MANiCURE and DWUW (atleast chorus).

[Shitwrecked 183]

not really though, i mean, how do you relate to "its going down i'm yelling timber"?   its not a relate-able song, its just really catchy and constantly played in clubs which made it #1, a lot of the songs on ARTPOP are catchy but due to other factors during this era such as poor promotion and messy single choices has led to the performance of the songs being rather underwhelming. Its also because a lot of people are tired of her and want any reason to be able to put her down, she's an artist that you either love or hate and with BTW a lot of people turned on her and its came through again in this era. Gypsy is radio friendly because its catchy enough and not too different from other pop stuff going around at the moment. A lot of stuff on ARTPOP would be accepted to radio, Venus, G.U.Y., MANiCURE, Do What U Want, Fashion!, Gypsy, Applause are all radio friendly and would be played on radio tbh. Lyrics don't really matter anymore in my opinion, obviously taking offensive stuff out of the equation, as long as people can dance and sing to it then they will buy it.

 

I mean are you that dumb, it's a song about having awesome s-x.