Why ARTPOP isn't as successful as it should've been?

[blacklistedd 599]

This so much, i really don't understand where this notion that ARTPOP was some out of this world new music that no one else is doing. People call TF generic, but ARTPOP is even more imo bar a few songs.

 

I don't think its as commercial sounding as The Fame. I still think that was Gagas most commercial. But ARTPOP's was clearly more marketable than Born This Way. Ive seen some people try to act like it just followed BTW's footsteps in being too "out there" and too "lyrical" to be consumed by Top 40 listeners but its like really? Sex Dreams, Donatella, and G.U.Y. sound too lyrically complicated for the public? I mean its like a joke to me that people think its too complex and I don't mean that to berate Gaga or something like what she made was too simple, but I think it was made for radio and it could've been played on radio. Its just not because shes Lady Gaga and people have a negative perception of her and she seems to purposefully not give in visually to what would return her to Katy Perry sized acceptance. It would be more commendable if she delivered something perfectly contrary but this era shes been very unpolished from her looks to the majority of her performances.

I pretty much agree. When I listened to this album, I told my friend: BTW she wrote for and about us, ARTPOP she wrote about herself, about her experiences, udrenaline rushes she has had as she herself said. I am not saying that it is bad, but I can really see that it is just not that relatable, as for example:Pokerface, Bad Romance, Telephone, Born This Way etc.

 

To relatable songs from ARTPOP I would add MANiCURE and DWUW (atleast chorus).

 

This whole "relatability" argument is a joke. Seriously.

[Benji 20,113]

I disagree, there's quite a few reasons why it isn't as successful as her previous work.

 

1. The Music

ARTPOP is a pretty sturdy album however apart from Applause and Do What U Want it sounds quite dated, it sounds like it could have came out in 2012.

 

2. "ARTPOP"

It sounds pretentious, we could debate for hours whether it actually is or not but labelling your work as that... yeah sounds pretentious. It doesn't scream buy me.

 

3. Promotion

The lack of it

[blacklistedd 599]

I disagree, there's quite a few reasons why it isn't as successful as her previous work.

 

1. The Music

ARTPOP is a pretty sturdy album however apart from Applause and Do What U Want it sounds quite dated, it sounds like it could have came out in 2012.

 

2. "ARTPOP"

It sounds pretentious, we could debate for hours whether it actually is or not but labelling your work as that... yeah sounds pretentious. It doesn't scream buy me.

 

3. Promotion

The lack of it

 

1. I agree about the music being sturdy but nothing to write home about or make people run back in her direction. Its just fine and thats not very interesting to just be fine. However I really don't agree that it sounds dated, I think its very much right now for the most part. 2012 was all Ibiza influenced edm like Pound the Alarm and ****, David Guetta kind of music. I don't think ARTPOP is like that at all.

 

2. The title is wack not because its pretentious but because its kind of silly to me. If you consider what you make to be ARTPOP than make it, don't name your album ARTPOP. Its like a rapper naming his album rap music. Its not very creative and kind of contradicts the intention of making something thats supposed to be artistically inclined. But I mean whatever. She did it lol

[Raivo 181]

This whole "relatability" argument is a joke. Seriously.

Maybe for you it is. But my friends actually pay a lot of attention to the song lyrics, I think a lot of people do. I do very little, so I can listen to basic pop with ease

[MMXIX 51]

I didn't even take the time to read this thread. If you really enjoy the music and respect her artistry as a fan then you should jump to the end of the line with the rest of us monsters waiting to give a f*ck about the charts.

:queenga:

[giskardsb 12,565]

This thread proving again why I wish Gaga just had more adventurous fans. Half this fan base IS the Just like the "GP" when it comes to their expectations of Gaga as a pop star.

You have the one pop star wiling to be grimy, unpredictable an a bit chaotic and people just want her to join the legion of clean controlled and easy to digest pop stars

[DXPE 924]

Honestly this era wasn't successful because of her team and the mess of the DWUW video. DWUW would've smashed if it had a video. I really hope she steps up her game with artRAVE. She had 1 year to plan this era but instead we got a mess of promotion and single choices

[Mast 980]

"isn't as successful as it should've been"

 

Ah, the problem here is that you think the album could have been more successful than it already is. There's not such things as "could have been" when it comes to this; what you see is what you get.

[TheRevenge 0]

The Five Main Reasons Gaga is Not Succesful As She Once Was:

1. Everyone copied her after she came out, so what made her stick out in 2008 made her blend in in 2013.

2. ...people don't know what to take when they see her. Her brand is alllll over the place.

3. She has writhed around in a pile of complaints, playing the "victim" card that has caused her to lose the thing about herself that made her so popular: she was edgy and b---hy, and different....she was empowered.  

4. She doesn't promote her music correctly anymore...it's always messy feeling. It never feels like an event the way her music videos and songs felt like in 2009. Now it just feels like "another Lady Gaga song". Also note that she fired all of the people that knew how to make her music more of an event.

5. Biggest Problem: She isn't creating music that is interesting anymore. HEAR me out: all of us as fans like it because ARTPOP is a very fan driven record. That's why we all thought it would slay at first. But the GP has a different taste, and for whatever reason they have given up on her stylistically right now for more chilled out heavier albums.

[Koreku 2,387]

Lol at the people complaining about this thread, just to bump it to the top of page 1.

 

Personally I think ARTPOP wasn't successful as it could've been because Gaga just didn't keep it alive. People already think she's done and are waiting for the next lead single of her next album.

[Phlop 4,773]

All the songs are radio ready but she and her team were a mess. She could've released Aura, Venus, Sexxx dreams, GUY, MANiCURE, DWUW, gypsy and applause. But she was in a bad state and nothing could save her.

[Gagz 2,579]

Why was this mess bumped? ARTPOP was pretty successful.

[Antidote 95]

I love mainstream Gaga- it's good pop music, but still has her Gaga-edge, which is why people liked her. 

 

I think she's going to slowly transition. Move from "fxck media/critics" to be preaching about being oneself and with what we have seen for artRave planned, she isn't going overboard and it looks polished, which she hasn't been in a while. I think that will help turn criticism and media around. She wants to be back on top otherwise she wouldn't have claimed that ARTPOP was made for radio hits. She was off the mark, because she was in a bad place, firing Troy had bad timing, and I think SXSW was the last "FU" to people- I think it was her sending off all the anger and hate she felt. While I didn't really care for  SXSW I am all for it if it means Gaga is level headed again and knows she needs to get it together and focus on the more important things when it comes to being Gaga. VictimGa is so unappealing and I think she is mostly gone. 

I can't remember that she said ARTPOP was full of radio hits

Oh wow so it's full of radio hits, but we don't care about the charts...okay...lol

But she's contradicting herself all the time and that's not good.

All the PromoteOnlineKindness stuff was just too much, she was acting like a teacher and preacher, I guess that was hard to digest for the general public, also for me

[IAmTheX 0]

I really hope I'mn not the one who thinks Gaga exactly did what the industry wanted this time. GUY, Applause, DWUW, Donatella... They all sound really really radio friendly. Gaga's tried to change the industry tons of times but not this one guys...

[blacklistedd 599]

Maybe for you it is. But my friends actually pay a lot of attention to the song lyrics, I think a lot of people do. I do very little, so I can listen to basic pop with ease

 

Its a joke because whether or not a song is "relatable" to someone with such little comprehension is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how "relatable" her music is and a lot of the arguments people make in here about which songs are supposedly unrelatable is just basic pop stan idiocy.

 

To Its not about relatability. Its about perception. People dislike her, people don't respect her or have been persuaded not to respect her. Therefore they don't respect her music. The relatability argument is just a b/s cliche criticism pulled out of someones ass to create some reason as to why shes not as successful. When all it comes down to is perception. Theres no logical reason as to why songs like Do What U Want or GUY shouldn't have been successful seeing as they fit easily amongst the current landscape of pop music. They're not complicated songs, they're catchy, etc. But its Lady Gaga and therefore it is not accepted. Its not to say the album is like perfect or whatever but just that there really is no reason the majority of the songs obviously tailored for radio off this album shouldn't have been successful otherwise in comparison to everything else reaching the top of the charts like Timber and I Need Your Love as only 2 examples.