Mythos 3,199 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Those sales aren't for every country in which ARTPOP is sold. Again, Mediatraffic doesn't count everything, it's a guy who makes some calculations... Believe what you want ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bye 3,947 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Oh so I guess Gaga (who said it HERSELF) is an unreliable source? Don't think so sisGaga said she has sold over 2M...Believe what you want ;)yes, I believe facts by reliable sources while others are free to believe like the haters do ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yes it does, IFPI counts the label's sales, which is always retail sales, not public sales, you have to track mediatraffic etc to count those Mediatraffic is some guy in his mom's basement, who has a hobby. It is not an official site. He does not have access to the numbers from the record labels and from Soundscan. IFPI is the organization that provides the essential statistical a--lysis of the recorded music market worldwide. Every year, IFPI, provides a comprehensive picture of the key trends in the global music business, with in-depth statistics and a--lysis covering territories worldwide. The record labels and Soundscan report the actual worldwide sales numbers to this organization....not to Basement Bubba! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,350 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 But isn't she around 1.8m sold, and 2.3 is just the shipment? Give a source. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Born to Die sold 5 mln+ WW, and only 1 mln in the US = 20% Wait... As a Newish Lana Stan I thought she only has 3.4 Mil for BTD :duck: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Give a source. Someone post the pic of Bubba! lol (I didn't save the picture, when it was posted it in the charts thread) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi 35 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 i wanna see the receipts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxi 4,999 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Like Gaga is always being compared to Madonna when it's negative things on Gaga's part but has anyone pointed out that Gaga's "Flop" album has sold 2.3 Mil in 6 months whilst MDNA has sold 2 Million in 2 years (also being considered her "flop" album). I mean that's a pretty big difference. MDNA is Madonna's 12th album. ARTPOP is Gaga's 4th. She is 6 years into her career, her massive decline is undeniable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos 3,199 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Give a source. mediatraffic There are people on other forums who count every weak those sales... edit: Where do you people think those sales came from actually? According to IFPI she sold alone in 2013, what a reliable source, so by now she should be 3m, or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 STOP TRYING TO SUGARCOAT IT. IT'S A FLOP FOR GAGS' STANDARD YAY! YOU CAME! OMG I MADE THIS THREAD TARGETING HATERS LIKE YOU! IM AWARE OF YOUR CONSTANT NEGATIVITY SO I WAS HOPIN YOU'D SEE THIS! So excuse but 2.3 Mil in 6 months for an album which was released around the time where there was so much competition is a flop? EXCUSE ME BUT CHARTING IN TOP 10 FOR A WHOLE YEAR RELEASED ONLY IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS OF THE YEAR IS NOT A FLOP. May I remind you TF debut at number 17. Consider the fact that it is amongst the greatest debut albums of all time and it got 17? ARTPOP got #1. Not saying TF is worse because that's all opinion related. GAGA IS SLAYING AND IF YOU'RE JUST ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH THE FOREVER GONE PAST ALBUMS (TF + TFM) JUST GET OVER THE FACT THAT IT IS DOING GOOD AND THISE ALBUMS AREN'T COMING BACK. And it's so obvious your not a true fan. I've barely seen any threads from you which even compliment Gaga on ARTPOP. I've actually never. You're a fake fan. Just leave. Support gaga or be against her but there is noticing need to spread your negative unrealistic b---hy threads. K? K. :Later: ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMXIX 51 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Nowhere near a flop. The sales were commercially successful... It's just that ARTPOP is overshadowed by BTW with the first 1 mil sold in a week. In the eyes of haters and Interscope.. The drop from 1mil to 250k in the first week is why they say it's a flop. The reality is that BTW sold so well because she was at the peak of her fame and the album was super relatable. That's what the GP wants is a superstar to relate to everyday situations through a lead song... Which is why Katy was so glorified this year. ARTPOP isn't as easily relatable compared to her previous works and nobody respects art these days so that's probably why we see such a difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VISION 52 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Wait... As a Newish Lana Stan I thought she only has 3.4 Mil for BTD http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/prnewswire/press_releases/California/2013/09/03/LA71967 Quoted on Wikipedia That's a HUGE number! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainbow Unicorn 82 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 I just looked at IFPI and they say ARTPOP sold in 2013 already 2.3 m... that never happend, i'm pretty sure they are talking about shipment. It doesn't matter really that much, but it's just unbelievable. Finally someone who understands logic. Here are ARTPOP sales that we know : US : 688k [Gold] U K : ~193k [Gold] Japan : ~190k [Platinum (Shipments over 250,000)] Canada : ~83k [Platinum] Mexico : 60k [Platinum] France : ~63k [Platinum (Shipments over 100,000)] Brazil : 64k [Platinum] Italy : 25k [Gold] Argentina : 20k [Gold] Spain : 20k [Gold] Sweden : 20k [Gold] Switzerland : 15k [Gold] Austria : 10k [Gold] Finland : 10k [Gold] Poland : 10k [Gold] Colombia : 5k [Gold] South Korea : ~4k Hungary : 1k [Gold] TOTAL : ~1,5M copies It's impossible for her to sell 800k outside of that markets, because the biggest markets are counted in the 1,5M. I don't know why people don't understand... It's obviously clear. So, 1,8M is realistic comparing to those 2,3M shipped. It's exactely the same problem as France. SNEP announced a platinium certification for ARTPOP (100,000 copies) without saying that it's shipments, while Gaga sold 63k real copies there, because we know the sales for each week. Hope you understand... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 MDNA is Madonna's 12th album. ARTPOP is Gaga's 4th. She is 6 years into her career, her massive decline is undeniable. This is my point. Gaga is only compare I Madonna when it's negative and no one will even think about it for a second. But here I compare something which is beneficial to Gaga and now all these things are being pointe out to go against? It is unfair. But I'm just trying to prove a point. Don't get me wrong, Madonna is really successful and the comparison was also a bit bias. And I'm duly aware of the decline but all I'm trying to point out is it's not as f--king bad as all the haters on this site make it out to be. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yxi 4,999 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 This is my point. Gaga is only compare I Madonna when it's negative and no one will even think about it for a second. But here I compare something which is beneficial to Gaga and now all these things are being pointe out to go against? It is unfair. But I'm just trying to prove a point. Don't get me wrong, Madonna is really successful and the comparison was also a bit bias. And I'm duly aware of the decline but all I'm trying to point out is it's not as ****ing bad as all the haters on this site make it out to be. Well then you are right my dear. Keep slaying the haters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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