Haus 152 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 1.7 million, not 2.3. We expected much more than 1.7 million half a year in, so I don't know why people can't accept that these are very underwhelming numbers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus 298 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 shipments..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Finally someone who understands logic. Here are ARTPOP sales that we know : US : 688k [Gold] U K : ~193k [Gold] Japan : ~190k [Platinum (Shipments over 250,000)] Canada : ~83k [Platinum] Mexico : 60k [Platinum] France : ~63k [Platinum (Shipments over 100,000)] Brazil : 64k [Platinum] Italy : 25k [Gold] Argentina : 20k [Gold] Spain : 20k [Gold] Sweden : 20k [Gold] Switzerland : 15k [Gold] Austria : 10k [Gold] Finland : 10k [Gold] Poland : 10k [Gold] Colombia : 5k [Gold] South Korea : ~4k Hungary : 1k [Gold] TOTAL : ~1,5M copies It's impossible for her to sell 800k outside of that markets, because the biggest markets are counted in the 1,5M. I don't know why people don't understand... It's obviously clear. So, 1,8M is realistic comparing to those 2,3M shipped. It's exactely the same problem as France. SNEP announced a platinium certification for ARTPOP (100,000 copies) without saying that it's shipments, while Gaga sold 63k real copies there, because we know the sales for each week. Hope you understand... Just out of curiosity... How reliable is THIS source... Because I might (probably am) wiring about 2.3 but I've heard ARTPOP is at least at 1.8 Mil . So idk maybe we're all wrong but I'm sure they're above those sales because I don't think Gaga would lie like that. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainbow Unicorn 82 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Just out of curiosity... How reliable is THIS source... Because I might (probably am) wiring about 2.3 but I've heard ARTPOP is at least at 1.8 Mil . So idk maybe we're all wrong but I'm sure they're above those sales because I don't think Gaga would lie like that. Yes, ARTPOP is at 1.8M. The numbers for each country I gave above are the real ones. They have been gave by the organizations that represent the recording industry of their country, like RIAA, RIAJ, BPI, etc. Some people would say that Mediatraffic is not reliable but it is actually. The owner of Mediatraffic just do the maths by adding up numbers from each countries. http://www.mediatraffic.de/about-us.htm If Gaga lies, it's probably because we told her to do that. Her team, her label, I don't know. But, if real numbers are 1.760M, shipments 2.3M, why did she say 2.5M during her interview ? It's fishy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highway Capricorn 24 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Here's another receipt. Go to 25 http://www.mediatraffic.de/year-end-albums.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yes, ARTPOP is at 1.8M. The numbers for each country I gave above are the real ones. They have been gave by the organizations that represent the recording industry of their country, like RIAA, RIAJ, BPI, etc. Some people would say that Mediatraffic is not reliable but it is actually. The owner of Mediatraffic just do the maths by adding up numbers from each countries. http://www.mediatraffic.de/about-us.htm If Gaga lies, it's probably because we told her to do that. Her team, her label, I don't know. But, if real numbers are 1.760M, shipments 2.3M, why did she say 2.5M during her interview ? It's fishy. It is possible she felt pressured by her record label or her "fans" to lie about the sales. Especially the latter. But what I'm really trying to highlight with this thread is that this one album isn't the beginning of the end. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainbow Unicorn 82 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 It is possible she felt pressured by her record label or her "fans" to lie about the sales. Especially the latter. But what I'm really trying to highlight with this thread is that this one album isn't the beginning of the end. YES, I completely agree She CAN'T sell 6M copies with each of her albums. Every artist have ups and downs. I'm sure she's able to come back with a big successful album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted April 14, 2014 Author Share Posted April 14, 2014 Yes, ARTPOP is at 1.8M. The numbers for each country I gave above are the real ones. They have been gave by the organizations that represent the recording industry of their country, like RIAA, RIAJ, BPI, etc. Some people would say that Mediatraffic is not reliable but it is actually. The owner of Mediatraffic just do the maths by adding up numbers from each countries. http://www.mediatraffic.de/about-us.htm If Gaga lies, it's probably because we told her to do that. Her team, her label, I don't know. But, if real numbers are 1.760M, shipments 2.3M, why did she say 2.5M during her interview ? It's fishy. It is possible she felt pressured by her record label or her "fans" to lie about the sales. Especially the latter. But what I'm really trying to highlight with this thread is that this one album isn't the beginning of the end. ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 mediatraffic is a fanmade site, IFPI is official. it isn't that hard to understand plus if those were "shipments" they would have stated it but they didn't so anyone trying to argue ARTPOP sold under 2 million just looks like a fool honestly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pain of fame1 226 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Actually, they are 2.6 MILION COPIES IN 6 MONTHS ( 2.3 were ONLY IN 2013!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pain of fame1 226 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Finally someone who understands logic. Here are ARTPOP sales that we know : US : 688k [Gold] U K : ~193k [Gold] Japan : ~190k [Platinum (Shipments over 250,000)] Canada : ~83k [Platinum] Mexico : 60k [Platinum] France : ~63k [Platinum (Shipments over 100,000)] Brazil : 64k [Platinum] Italy : 25k [Gold] Argentina : 20k [Gold] Spain : 20k [Gold] Sweden : 20k [Gold] Switzerland : 15k [Gold] Austria : 10k [Gold] Finland : 10k [Gold] Poland : 10k [Gold] Colombia : 5k [Gold] South Korea : ~4k Hungary : 1k [Gold] TOTAL : ~1,5M copies It's impossible for her to sell 800k outside of that markets, because the biggest markets are counted in the 1,5M. I don't know why people don't understand... It's obviously clear. So, 1,8M is realistic comparing to those 2,3M shipped. It's exactely the same problem as France. SNEP announced a platinium certification for ARTPOP (100,000 copies) without saying that it's shipments, while Gaga sold 63k real copies there, because we know the sales for each week. Hope you understand... YOU ARE SO ****IN PRESSED..ARTPOP HAS SOLD 2.6 MILION COPIES SO FAR, DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN GAGA? SO FAKE MONSTER... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 7,571 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 mediatraffic is a fanmade site, IFPI is official. it isn't that hard to understand plus if those were "shipments" they would have stated it but they didn't so anyone trying to argue ARTPOP sold under 2 million just looks like a fool honestly What I'm understanding from this thread is that when you add up sales figures from all the individual sources that announce chart positions, such as Billboard, ARTPOP only adds up to about 1.5m right? Or have all of those official sources stated figures that add up to 2.6m too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaMyBlood95 9,808 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 What I'm understanding from this thread is that when you add up sales figures from all the individual sources that announce chart positions, such as Billboard, ARTPOP only adds up to about 1.5m right? Or have all of those official sources stated figures that add up to 2.6m too? billboard doesn't count many countries and this is an official source so we may as well accept that 2.3 million number! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan 0 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Interscope sold 2.3M (probably more) copies of ARTPOP to retailers around the world. Those copies are sales for THEM and that's what they reported. Retailers sold 1.8M (max) to the public. That's what the chart companies for countries reported on their chart releases. And that's what the MT guy reported because that's where he gets his info. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabertooth 2 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 This The only 'flop' aspect of the BTW era were the two singles, Judas and Marry The Night. Or most of the album considering the follow up sales of ARTPOP. GP has never been put off by Gaga so much since BTW tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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