VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 You don't get it at all. I don't like people like you at all. I would love for you to leave the fanbase please. :DThis was rude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagavsartpop 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 This was rude. Does it look like I care? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I can see where you're coming from, but I can't say l agree... I don't think ARTPOP is about other people "stamping their own visions" on her, because those outside influences wouldn't exist in the work if Gaga didn't want them there for any reason. She's still in control, but that doesn't mean she can't collaborate with people who could bring something important to the work. As for the second half, the "twitter meltdown" made sense for DWUW, but with the tweets/lm.com comments that followed for some time, it did seem uncharacteristic for her to pay so much attention to the negativity. Of course, everyone feels sensitive at times (plus I'm sure it's much worse with the whole world watching you), and there's nothing wrong with that, so it doesn't bother me too much... The "f*ck the haters" mentality seems more uplifting, sure, but it's also a bit unrealistic to uphold 24/7... Is it really possible for someone to have such thick skin all the time, with no vulnerabilities to judgement or (unfair) criticisms? It just proves that she's like any other human who has her rough patches IMO... and we know now that it was indeed a tough time for her... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I actually like the aspect of ARTPOP's direct commentary on media criticism. However, it definitely didn't turn out so well all the time. I liked the meta fourth wall poking, DWYW lyrics and performances, and such, but to me it seemed... passive? I really liked the G.U.Y. video and the 'creative rebellion' phase, as it seemed a lot more aggressive and direct. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miel 15,009 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Well she didn't made everything in that era. -In BTW she didn't produced any track. In ARTPOP she produced Venus. -In BTW she directed 2 of 5 videos by herself. In ARTPOP she directed 1 of 3. Co-production counts, yes? As far as I know from credits, she's had a hand in producing from TFM all the way through ARTPOP, with ARTPOP having her first credit as sole/main producer (with Madeon on co- or assistant, I think). Also, Judas and Yoü and I were both co-directed, right? She's definitely had strong hold in her art for both Born This Way and ARTPOP. With ARTPOP, though, I feel like she'd had to fight harder for it. 3 points in and ready for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceAce 1,058 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 This is all been discussed before, in this same way, in every other way possible, We've had this same discussion in many, many threads over the past few months. At this point, all this is doing is complaining about the same things over and over and over and... Seriously, most of these things happened months ago. Why keep beating a dead horse? What's the purpose? Pretty sure if you think this is a covered topic and can't contribute intelligently to the conversation then you're then one with out a purpose here. What would it take to simply not open the thread and let people discuss what they feel they'd like to discuss? You don't get it at all. I don't like people like you at all. I would love for you to leave the fanbase please. :D Fans having opinions and intelligent thoughts about Gaga's work is a good thing and something I'm sure she'd encourage. This mindless following she has with people like you is disturbing and not healthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Co-production counts, yes? As far as I know from credits, she's had a hand in producing from TFM all the way through ARTPOP, with ARTPOP having her first credit as sole/main producer (with Madeon on co- or assistant, I think). Also, Judas and Yoü and I were both co-directed, right? She's definitely had strong hold in her art for both Born This Way and ARTPOP. With ARTPOP, though, I feel like she'd had to fight harder for it. She is the co-director of almost every video. The only one that seems to be different is Judas but she had the dream warrior queen. We only have two ARTPOP videos. It's too soon to make conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Does it look like I care? You should care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahblahblahhhh 15 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 the ARTPOP era is the biggest mess. and there's been so much disappointment. i hate the whole "NO WEED ON ARTPOP", then the whole thing is like DRUGS SEX ALCOHOL. Maybe it all goes over my head, but in my opinion this album is the least artistic of all her albums, and it doesn't even deserve the title ARTPOP. I don't know what's going on. But. Hey. I completely agree. ARTPOP seems like a project that, unfortunately,.went nowhere. Maybe it was too ambitious, maybe it was considered pretentious, but to me it seemed half-assed. There's just something off with this particular record, I can't put my finger on it. It doesn't grab you the way her previous albums did. I thought it was a grower, but it's definitely just becoming more and more boring each day. Still a massive Gaga fan, but sadly I am not crazy over ARTPOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Rose 1,475 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 You should care. Thank you, V. I know it would be a lot easier to just flame me for disagreeing with Gaga. I got angry at people who didn't like Born This Way, so I know how it feels to be on the other side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HausOfAntonio 8,021 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 ARTPOP is the best album of all time imo. All tracks are better than great. Ever since she released AP it's been hard for me to listen to anything but. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Thank you, V. I know it would be a lot easier to just flame me for disagreeing with Gaga. I got angry at people who didn't like Born This Way, so I know how it feels to be on the other side. Of course. I am a huge BTW and ARTPOP stan so I was always on the other side, so idc. Cririsism is always helpful as long as its constructive. It helped me personally a lot with both BTW and ARTPOP and it made me realise how much I love them. Because of all the negativity on ARTPOP in here the previous months I started having doubts about ARTPOP myself and I thought that maybe I am forcing myself to like it. Then in a thread someone ask for our top 20 Lady Gaga songs and I realise that the songs from AP in my list were more than from her other albums. It truly is my favorite. (eventhough my favorte body work is on BTW and I feel that its the best to listen from beginning to the end, it reminds me of a journey). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloeppe 0 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Why I don`t care: We have had many threads like that and you create one now? Half a year later? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djBuffoon 12,115 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I agree with the part about her responding to criticism. I feel like it was overdone this era and ended up making her seem weak when she use to be so fearless and strong and unbothered by those things. However, I see her being a canvas as being a vehicle for other lesser known artists and shining the light onto them. It's not about other people sculpting her. It's about her saying "hey, I made it believing in my artistry and you can too" and being Lady Gaga, a worldwide superstar, she can help these artists infiltrate culture in a way they wouldn't have without her help. How many monsters would have known about Jeff Koons, Marina Ambromovich, Millie Brown, Robert Wilson, etc without Gaga's impact? This. The era has given me a greater, broader appreciation for the artists who inspired her, and has also freed up my preconceived notions towards contemporary and performance art. So I'm grateful to her for that. Did she become uber-sensitive for a time? Yes, and it worried me. But she's only human, despite how much we'd like to think otherwise. Put yourself in her shoes, and think about how you'd feel in it seemed like the whole world was cainf you and your baby a failure. I think that, now that she is performing consistently again and can see how much her fans do love the album, it has given her more confidence in what she's created. Having said that, I think it is her best album by a decent margin. It taps into everything she gives me as an artist and musician and cranks it up to 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropico 4,145 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I'm not telling her what to do. My whole point is that I don't want anyone to influence her work. I don't appreciate your attitude. This is why I tend to keep my thoughts on ARTPOP to myself, because people take it as me wanting to control her when it's the exact opposite situation. I don't like your attitude either. It seems to me that what you're doing is just pointing out (the non-exsistent) flaws in ARTPOP and this era. Like it seems like instead of even looking at all the good things you're just bashing Gaga like she doesn't know what she should be doing with HER OWN career. What if Gaga likes what she did with actually defending her art and herself. The way I have discouraged you have you ever thought that it discourages her when people make threads like this to entirely smash her album. Sure to point out a flaw is okay and discuss it but what you just did was crush the DWUW era. And what if other people like this? Huh? ♢ Social Justice Enthusiast ♢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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