"If you want pop, go stan for Katy and Britney"

[LittleBoot 27]

What I took from the performance is an undertone of frustration because she's being pulled into two directions. She wants to explore more creative freedom and seems to be in a battle between that and the "pop star" Lady Gaga. Obviously that's the Gaga that became the household name, but I'm beginning to think she isn't interested in being a "brand." Which is fine.

 

Artistic independence and smashing the charts won't always go hand in hand. Ultimately it's up to her to decide what she wants the most.

 

I didn't care for the performances (enjoyed Country Romance though) but mostly I think I'm just a little worried about her actual well being more than whatever her artistic and career direction is.

[giskardsb 12,565]

This post is exactly how I feel. I fell in love with Fame Gaga. So completely changing her identity turns her into someone else. It just means adjusting or leaving the fan base.

I will be here for the crazy B***h until I die. But I will never like things like last nights swine performance and messy shows.

 

This is the reality.  I can understand how many people fell in love with Gaga during "The Fame" and have been in love with that particular version of her, which was understandably much more "pop" than what she's been doing lately.  There is nothing wrong with that at all, but at this point I think it's safe to say that "The Fame" Gaga is well and truly in the past.   Either people need to open their minds to the new Gaga and just be willing to see what she does, or stop staining so hard and just enjoy what she gave them then.  The poisonous part for both a fan and others they interact with is to just give in to hateful negativity and do nothing but complain about her and the new work.  Eventually those people even turn themselves off of the Gaga music they loved, which is their own loss.

Im not the art police but going to a festival and pretending to be a rockstar to fit in...is not art. Its called being a poser.

 

there was nothing pretend about that show.   If anything that was the most honest expression of her NY city early roots and that underground club culture that we've seen.

[Bambino 24,266]

You see, you are still acting as though there is something for someone to be blamed for. You didn't like the show, we get it but why do you feel like you need to bring everyone else down? That is all you are doing and then you complain when you get similar treatment from other users. 

 

You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to point out how rude and childish you sound and some other idiot is entitled to say you should go stan for Katy!

 

Specify the part where I'm trying to "bring everyone down" please All I'm trying to say is that if you liked that performance, it's okay, if you didn't, it's okay too, don't tell other people to stan for other artists if they don't like the performance.

[ModernEcstasy 8,998]

I would also like to say, aside from last night and the blackout, I have loved everything that she has done up until this point. I even like Jewels N Drugs.

I'm sure I will like future projects too (I would even be here for a metal album). The only thing I HATED was the lack of organisation. That just isn't Gaga at all.

[gagaconvert 68]

So I was reading posts about the performance here and I noticed something that's really annoying. Whenever someone express a kind of an unpopular opinion about Gaga these days, they get a response like "if you want medicore or pure pop music and #1s, go stan for Katy or Britney." And that's really rude and irrelevant.

 

Some of us liked the performance, some of us didn't, and those who didn't enjoy it don't necessarily need to stan for Katy, for example.

THANK YOU.  This attitude really annoys me.

[MikeyMoonShine 0]

Specific the part where I'm trying to "bring everyone down" please All I'm trying to say is that if you liked that performance, it's okay, if you didn't, it's okay too, don't tell other people to stan for other artists if they don't like the performance.

 

Then what's with the sarky crap like this? "that whatever direction she's taking this era is only for this era as she's trying to prove to the masses how much of a creative brave artist she is, which is cool, really, but I don't like it that much."

 

I just don't see why you are surprised at people reacting badly to you trashing Gaga on her own fan page. Not everyone is as good at taking/understanding criticism as you and I. 

 

I think the reaction is understandable. 

[craig 680]

Im not the art police but going to a festival and pretending to be a rockstar to fit in...is not art. Its called being a poser.

 

Maybe the Madonna-Britney-Kyle gay icon persona is partly to succeed in pop, and she enjoys exploring another side she's not allowed to as a female?

 

She knows glam rock isn't big anymore and rock fans are mostly male who prefer to stan for guys, but she still enjoys being inspired byu it occasionally. And she has some rockermetal fans. 

[SpadesToStart 3,444]

I think a lot of people on GGD have never been to a true music festival, and thus had unreal expectations about what the performance was going to be like. I always expected it to be messy, wild, and raw.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

The really important piece of the puzzle that people are forgetting is that when she took the stage at the 2009 VMA's, NOBODY was expecting what they got. There were a lot of people who loved her singles from The Fame, but thought her performance was totally weird and creepy (I mean she bled all over herself and then hanged herself onstage). That performance broke the rules... but by doing so, she created a new status quo that every single pop star followed her to. What's considered normal now - the weird outfits, the wigs, the gigantic performances with sets and props and all the theatricality - exists because of Gaga breaking the rules of pop music. What Katy Perry did onstage at the Grammy's this year never would have happened if Gaga didn't move pop culture to the extent that Perry felt comfortable burning herself at the stake onstage. It just wouldn't have happened. That's the difference between the leader and the follower.

Lady Gaga broke the rules again tonight. If you didn't like it, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but it's hypocritical to say you fell in love with her because she was different, and now you're falling out of love with her because she's different It seems like the truth of the matter is that you like(d) her because the particular performances/songs of hers you discovered back then just happened to be what you like. But she will never do the same thing twice. That's not Lady Gaga. You can't possibly expect her to rest on her laurels. Would you like an artist who did?

So much tea spilled I can't. MTE :tea:

[Bambino 24,266]

Then what's with the sarky crap like this? "that whatever direction she's taking this era is only for this era as she's trying to prove to the masses how much of a creative brave artist she is, which is cool, really, but I don't like it that much."

 

I just don't see why you are surprised at people reacting badly to you trashing Gaga on her own fan page. Not everyone is as good at taking/understanding criticism as you and I. 

 

I think the reaction is understandable. 

 

Wait what? I'm not trashing Gaga. I'm only stating my opinion and view about her. I'm not stating facts. Like I said, whether I liked the performance or not, whatever expectations I had, whether I like this direction/change she's going into, it's my ****ing problem. Just like I don't mind the "yaaaas" people who love everything Gaga does, whether I like it or not, because I believe it's their opinion too, so I expect to have my opinion respected by others as well. It's people's problem if they fail or even choose to refuse to get my point especially that I'm only talking about how I see things.

[MikeyMoonShine 0]

Wait what? I'm not trashing Gaga. I'm only stating my opinion and view about her. I'm not stating facts. Like I said, whether I liked the performance or not, whatever expectations I had, whether I like this direction/change she's going into, it's my ****ing problem. Just like I don't mind the "yaaaas" people who love everything Gaga does, whether I like it or not, because I believe it's their opinion too, so I expect to have my opinion respected by others as well. It's people's problem if they fail or even choose to refuse to get my point especially that I'm only talking about how I see things.

 

Yes but you are shading them and her constantly. Maybe you just can't see that you are doing it, it's your tone I guess and I am not blaming you for it I am just pointing it out. 

[Bambino 24,266]

Yes but you are shading them and her constantly. Maybe you just can't see that you are doing it, it's your tone I guess and I am not blaming you for it I am just pointing it out. 

 

I'm not really shading them or her. When I said this:

 

"that whatever direction she's taking this era is only for this era as she's trying to prove to the masses how much of a creative brave artist she is, which is cool, really, but I don't like it that much."

 

It's because I truly think so.

 

For example, remember all the things she used to say during the Fame era? Where are they now?

[SpadesToStart 3,444]

Remember 'Its not a persona' 'this is who i ****ing am' I kinda call BS on that now...where is the line of persona drawn...how do we know what was a persona in the past now...you know, it murks it up some.

I don't think we should try to fit Gaga into these stereotypical "personas". We all have different sides to us, and Gaga is an amalgamation on many things, grunge rocker from the lower east side being one of them. Spending the week at SXSW and hanging out with her old friends, brought out more of that side for this performance. That's all. She's still the Gaga you know and love.

[djBuffoon 12,115]

The really important piece of the puzzle that people are forgetting is that when she took the stage at the 2009 VMA's, NOBODY was expecting what they got. There were a lot of people who loved her singles from The Fame, but thought her performance was totally weird and creepy (I mean she bled all over herself and then hanged herself onstage). That performance broke the rules... but by doing so, she created a new status quo that every single pop star followed her to. What's considered normal now - the weird outfits, the wigs, the gigantic performances with sets and props and all the theatricality - exists because of Gaga breaking the rules of pop music. What Katy Perry did onstage at the Grammy's this year never would have happened if Gaga didn't move pop culture to the extent that Perry felt comfortable burning herself at the stake onstage. It just wouldn't have happened. That's the difference between the leader and the follower.

 

Lady Gaga broke the rules again tonight. If you didn't like it, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but it's hypocritical to say you fell in love with her because she was different, and now you're falling out of love with her because she's different It seems like the truth of the matter is that you like(d) her because the particular performances/songs of hers you discovered back then just happened to be what you like. But she will never do the same thing twice. That's not Lady Gaga. You can't possibly expect her to rest on her laurels. Would you like an artist who did?

:applause:

[MikeyMoonShine 0]

I'm not really shading them or her. When I said this:

 

"that whatever direction she's taking this era is only for this era as she's trying to prove to the masses how much of a creative brave artist she is, which is cool, really, but I don't like it that much."

 

It's because I truly think so.

 

For example, remember all the things she used to say during the Fame era? Where are they now?

 

Well ok maybe I am a little harsh about it but I think their point of view is as I just described, they feel like you are attacking her and them and to be fair to her it can look like that sometimes. 

 

I think we all know by now that Gaga talks allot of sh*t, She probably even means it at the time but then she changes her minds or decides something different. She's human so she ain't infallible and I never expected her to be.

 

This is why I ignore the whole rock star thing, I think it's all just part of the show, maybe she means some of it maybe she doesn't, I don't really care.  I know that she is genuine where it matters and I know that she is a good person and that is enough for me.