PoshLife 16,980 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The problem with the ARTPOP era is that we all expected the come back of Candy Warhol, the blonde bangs, and revolutionary POP songs, so original that we could have called them "Art pop songs". In the end, ARTPOP is more about ART than POP (which is 100% fine). The ART side is on point. The problem is that she's having a hard time to make ART "belong together" with POP. This Swine performance is 100% Art, 0% Pop. And this performance summarises pretty well the era : it's almost impossible for her to find the right point to get at the same time an artistic performance, a pop show, a pop song, and a polarizing event to make things come together in harmony. In that sense, the iconic Paparazzi performance had it all : The song (Paparazzi, pop gem), the performance art (bleeding, committing suicide), the pop show (dance, piano, vocals, props), the polarizing event (a pop star creates a bloody scene at a major music event). Most of us fell in love with this Gaga. She didn't meet the pop expectations with ARTPOP, and many of us do not like her art so much this era. Personnally, I preferred BTW's artistic propositions, but that's only my taste. For those who can't cope at all with the "art" side and lost the "pop" side of Gaga, well ... Indeed, Katy and Britney are 100% pop, go ahead. I'd rather see disappointing and polarizing artistic performances by Gaga than a whole concert based gimmicks. Well it's funny to read this because as recently as yesterday people were saying there was NO art in ARTPOP and that it was all pop, didn't break any new ground or do anything differently... well you wanted something different, you got it. And you didn't like it, and that's okay because you're entitled to your opinion, but the bottom line is you got what you wanted and it's still not satisfying to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCaligula 0 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I don't know where these expectations are coming from though. Everyone expects her to do things that will get herself back in the charts and the news in a positive way and maybe she will do that but I don't think we should expect her to. She has said many times that she doesn't care about that. So expect nothing. If she doesnt start getting on the charts and good reviews...shes not gonna have a label and then...shes in deep ****. She isn't just her...shes got alot of people riding off of her and that is something she should keep in mind. Lose interscope and she loses that fancy team and jet etc...she coulnt afford tht full time staff if she didnt have corporate money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino 24,266 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Yes, it is wrong to expect more from her than that performance, which was an outstanding effort, whether or not it was up your alley. You didn't expect more; you expected something different. And it's precisely this confusion that's so offensive about some of the criticism now. This was not, in any way, a phoned-in performance. And it was not a meltdown. It was carefully planned, and lovingly and energetically executed. It just wasn't to some peoples' taste -- so, fine, say that, then. But don't confuse your personal disappointment with some kind of inadequacy on her part. Whatever I expected is my problem but it's rude to be told to stan for other artists if my expectations weren't met. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 One day she says she is a princess, goddess and **** like than, the next day she pretends to be a rockstar... So she either has to act in a purely and stereotypically female or male mode, but not both. Why limit her? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCaligula 0 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Whatever I expected is my problem but it's rude to be told to stan for other artists if my expectations weren't met. You know...you aren't the only one who is upset... LOTS of people didnt like it and are being critical...this wouldnt have happened a couple years ago. People worshipped her then...now shes sliding and people are starting to 'revolt' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMoonShine 0 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If she doesnt start getting on the charts and good reviews...shes not gonna have a label and then...shes in deep ****. She isn't just her...shes got alot of people riding off of her and that is something she should keep in mind. Lose interscope and she loses that fancy team and jet etc...she coulnt afford tht full time staff if she didnt have corporate money. Well I dunno if it's as bad as all that. She still makes quite allot of money and she will with the tour. Anyway she pays her staff not interscope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino 24,266 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share Posted March 14, 2014 Nothing, I explained to you why you get a certain reaction when you say certain things. I thought the performance was a little dull but I dunno why we need to make this big thing about it and have half the users whining about how they want the old gaga back. Because we're only getting a little from her this era? If the change isn't appealing to lots of fans, including the GP (sorry I had) then idk why she keeps doing it. I can totally imagine her dropping these art ideas when the next era starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkly 2 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I've seen these type of posts several times tonight and I cringe so bad every damn time. These people suffer from some delusion or another to think that she is now a rockstar or a punk. She's not. She is and always will be a pop artist. Her performances are pop as well. She's not a punk or anything else they seem to think she is. So telling someone to go stan for someone else is disrespectful as **** and fans have the right to voice their distaste. They need to grow the **** up tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,291 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Well sorry if i dont think puking is art. But it is art. For Millie, it is her art. Have you read what she goes through for a performance? She's dedicated and conscientious. Now, I'll tell you a secret: I don't like puke art, either. And I don't care for seeing Gaga getting puked on. BUT, I can appreciate the difference between personal taste, and whether or not something qualifies as art. And I can admire Gaga's willingness to do this, and her commitment to her art, even as I flinch from the act itself. She's here to challenge us... and clearly, she succeeded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Fighter 1,222 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 We all loved Gaga at first because she was new, unique & no one really understood her. It's become almost expected for Gaga to do something 'crazy' & it's caused us to build up an immunity towards her performances. If she had done stuff like this during TF/TFM era, everyone would've loved her for being so different. You can't compare performances from 5 years ago to current performances. Gaga has grown as an artist & lbr, it's her career, her life, her performances, her art, she makes it for herself, not for you. If you don't like it or get it, that's fine, you'd completely entitled to your opinions, but don't bash her for doing what the wants to do. If she kept doing the same kind of sh*t over & over again everyone would call her boring & stop stanning. You loved her for being different, you can't start hating her for being different now. <3 Little Fighter = Gaga & Xtina stan <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 it's almost impossible for her to find the right point to get at the same time an artistic performance, a pop show, a pop song, and a polarizing event to make things come together in harmony. That's why Monsters are doomed to misery, because it's almost impossible to bring everyone together like she did in 09-10. Madonna and Kylie only managed it in a few peak moments too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyMoonShine 0 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Because we're only getting a little from her this era? If the change isn't appealing to lots of fans, including the GP (sorry I had) then idk why she keeps doing it. I can totally imagine her dropping these art ideas when the next era starts. Um, coz she wants to? and maybe For the fans who do appreciate. There are musicians all over the world who have never come close to Gaga's fame and success but they make the music/the art they want to make and they do it for themselves and for the fans who appreciate it. Then ofc there are those who used to be mainstream acts but decided to go their own way and do as they liked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmenTheNight 1,084 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Well it's funny to read this because as recently as yesterday people were saying there was NO art in ARTPOP and that it was all pop, didn't break any new ground or do anything differently... well you wanted something different, you got it. And you didn't like it, and that's okay because you're entitled to your opinion, but the bottom line is you got what you wanted and it's still not satisfying to you. I only hear pop in the music, everything around the music is 100% art. That's the main difference with the other eras. Every moment of The Fame era was an art expression of the fame. Same with TFM, we saw an artistic vision of pop horror. BTW brought us an artistic vision of birth and creation from start to finish. And that was Gaga's strenght, to give art to pop. Her "reverse Warholian experience" doesn't seem to work this time around, since we can't see anything but art, no pop at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth 90 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 So she either has to act in a purely and stereotypically female or male mode, but not both. Why limit her? How old are you? Sometimes you have to "choose" who you are. You can't be walking 2 contradictions. Ok, I'll try to give you an example - if you want to be a successful sportman, do you think it's possible to train swimming and cycling? I mean you can do that, but it won't be professional and you will never be the best, you have to choose one option, because you will never be good if you do both. Anyway, I'm not going to teach you, it's your choice to believe in what you want. When you get older you will get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaojen 1,571 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I like crazy rock Gaga, but I am deathly afraid of vomit.... I would be so for this performance too if she had saved swine for the damn end. Because of that decision I wasn't able to watch the whole show. Smh I have a different reason than most as to why I didn't like it. But I just hope that she is okay and hope the vomit stuff doesn't follow over into artRave. Ugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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