Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Imagine if people ranked her popularity by s-xual orientation But yeah, I'm not surprised that she isn't as high on the list for males I think her identifying with the gay community limits her appeal to straight young men. There is still the problem of peer pressure at that age and up young straight men are afraid to be identified with the Gsy community. like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 ALL is a generalization and is too extreme, but in the US, straight males make up a very small percentage of pop radio listeners. Pop radio is geared towards female listeners and therefore most artists who are strictly pop radio have mostly female fans. (or gay male fans) The majority of straight men in the US listen to Alt. Rock, Rock, AAA, Hip Hop/Rap and Country. Like everything, nothing is 100% and there are always outliers, but there are general patterns that can be observed and noted.That's pretty accurate for me.... I don't listen to the radio much, and usually not pop music. Gaga is the only artist that I even know anything about hardly at all. Madonna a little bit, But mostly rock , country and some old school rap....8-) like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 It would be enough to say "a minority" - just like there is a sizeable minority of females who watch football and hockey. They probably don't talk a great deal about their pop fandom to strangers, so they don't get teased by macho jerks and hipsters. The fact that guys love Daft Punk and Calvin Harris shows it's not the beat of dance pop that's the problem - its "I'm too much of a he man to listen to girls singing." Then they invent a bunch of s-xist excuses - girls can't sing, they are industry puppets, etc. EDM (and its side shoots) is different than the typical Top 40 Pop music. I should have included that in my list of genres that males listen to, because it is HUGE with them! Going back to edit now... Pop radio is targeted to female listeners for a reason. That's their primary listening base and they have accepted that reality. I know this is the case, as I personally know the PD at one of the top 10 radio stations in the country and we've discussed this very thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Gays overrate their numbers and effect - you have to have EVERY gay a Gaga fan and EVERY gay Monster listening 90% to gaga songs to have serious impact on the numbers. Her popularity with straights is about what you'd expect for a female singer who is #13 with girls. I bet she still beats Swift with males, even iof you separate out the gays. No straight boy likes a girl singer whining about break-up and exes. WANEGBT - straight boy poison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 EDM (and its side shoots) is different than the typical Top 40 Pop music. I could name dozens of Gaga and Kylie songs that have beats just as good as D Guetta and C Harris. The best Guetta and Harris song are collabs with female singers too (IMO and in chart success). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Gays overrate their numbers and effect - you have to have EVERY gay a Gaga fan and EVERY gay Monster listening 90% to gaga songs to have serious impact on the numbers. Her popularity with straights is about what you'd expect for a female singer who is #13 with girls. I bet she still beats Swift with males, even iof you separate out the gays. No straight boy likes a girl singer whining about break-up and exes. WANEGBT - straight boy poison. Maybe...depends on how many country music listeners Taylor is getting nowadays. Country music is a 50/50 split, as far as male/female listeners. I know several straight midwestern college guys who are Taylor Swift fans. Much of Country music has always been about whining about break ups and exes, though. Taylor is really no different in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Much of Country music has always been about whining about break ups and exes Hence the nichkname "Tammy Whine-ette" from detractors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I could name dozens of Gaga and Kylie song that have beats just as good as D Guetta and C Harris. The best Guetta and Harris song are collabs with female singers too (IMO and in chart success). I'm sure you could. That still doesn't mean that those songs are going to appeal to straight males in the US. EDM is heavier than that anyhow and it is the whole EDM culture that is currently appealing to certain groups. Hence the nichkname "Tammy Whine-ette" from detractors. There are definitely more current examples (lol) and the men of country have a long history of "you done me wrong" songs, as well, but yes, country music has a very long history of heartbreak songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricHaus 227 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 All of her male fans are gay. :) not true! I'm male and straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 I'm sure you could. That still doesn't mean that those songs are going to appeal to straight males in the US. EDM is heavier than that anyhow and it is the whole EDM culture that is currently appealing to certain groups. For me, its a bit like how Marlboro cigarette was rebranded from a women's product to macho product using marketing. Same product, different image. http://www.academia.edu/225856/How_Marlboro_Brand_changed_its_s-x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneybaby 450 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Well if that's what you are arguing you should say so. The actual website that performed the study did not use the word favorite anywhere in it, and neither did you until just now. In fact, the word favorite is completely irrelevant in a study talking about gender listening differences. http://musicmachinery.com/2014/02/10/gender-specific-listening/ You can read it for yourself. It's actually very interesting and if you honestly believe it doesn't mean anything, you are just burying your head in the ground. hahaha clearly you found a different article than the one posted... http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/03/03/these-charts-show-what-your-gender-says-about-your-favorite-bands/ look at the last two words of that link lmao "no where does it mention favorite bands" done arguing about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 For me, its a bit like how Marlboro cigarette was rebranded from a women's product to macho product using marketing. Same product, different image. http://www.academia.edu/225856/How_Marlboro_Brand_changed_its_s-x It's not the same product though. EDM is all about the beats. Although some of pop music incorporates these EDM beats, it isn't the same as listening to a full EDM album or going to that type of concert or festival. Two different things, two different experiences. As always, with most genres of music, there are crossovers. There is also a "commercialization" of dance music, characterizing many modern EDM acts as having developed a cliche style that does not reflect the art of DJing. Still, very different from the majority of the pop girls' songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 It's not the same product though. EDM is all about the beats. Although some of pop music incorporates these EDM beats, it isn't the same as listening to a full EDM album or going to that type of concert or festival. Two different things, two different experiences. As always, with most genres of music, there are crossovers. There is also a "commercialization" of dance music, characterizing many modern EDM acts as having developed a cliche style that does not reflect the art of DJing. Still, very different from the majority of the pop girls' songs. Electronic Dance music was pop and commercial, before the current EDM scene and it's hipster attitude (looking down on popular dance music that has lyrics). Goes all the way back to I Feel Love in the 70's (Donna Summer and G. Moroder). It's not "pure EDM" like Skillex that's in top 40 on Spotifiy - it's Guetta and Harris and Daft Punk. Calvin's first big hit was In My Arms produced for Kylie in 2007. His recent hits (notably with Rihanna, Florence, and Ellie) aren't any more hardcore. It's almost as if boys respond better when a male name is on the song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyodisko 0 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I'm honestly shocked that people weren't aware of the divide of music between genders... Excluding gay men, most males will not really listen to Gaga or other females. Ellie Goulding is probably the only other female that I know of that a few straight guys listen to off the top of my head, and that's probably due to her sound and connection to male DJs. And to whomever said 200,000 isn't a large enough study group... yes, it very well is. What matters is that the group is diverse in many ways. If a group has 200,000 participants, it's unlikely it would have been carried out without proper planning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nissa 51 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Aaand... predictably, near-erasure and denial of female fans is considered normal, even on this very thread. (Not talking about you, craig, I love how you're so informed on this issue.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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