codymonster 8,595 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 ARE YOU SERIOUS? You're so antisemic and you make the people here to think that Israel is a third world country, and it's officially NOT! Don't listen to him, he is an idiot and I can say that because he make people think bad things at us! Gaga preformed in Israel in 2009 and the show was great! Just great! You are not a monster cause a monster needs to promote kindness and love to others. The situation here is not as you described here, we know that if we'll accept the palatines they do in the streets bad things and terror, the hate us. You are stupid Can you please DELETE this thread? Woah woah. I understand that being in a situation is wayyyy different then those of us who are not, but you can't judge an entire group of people like that. Though terrorists MAY be present, not all of them are. Here in North America, the same thing happened with Muslims. Because a group of extreme terrorists were causing trouble, it was easy for us to judge a whole group of people. But, you can't do that, because not all them are. I think the OP is simply trying to stand for human rights, since many of these people ARE innocent. Simply stating that the inequality is unfair, which it is. Saying that, I DO think she should still perform there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dann 354 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 1. You're a fukin idiot. 2. There is fans wating for her for years, so fuk off. 3. Get some REAL and true education about the place. 4. Know everyone any fan has the right to see Gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 You can add the petition to OP? https://www.change.org/petitions/lady-gaga-don-t-play-apartheid-israel-this-summer-boycott-apartheid-israel FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boniva4lyfe 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 You are missing the point, the people she will be performing for are Israeli citizens, there will no Palestinian fans allowed in or any gaza fans allowed in as they are being illegally detained under the state of Israel behind the walls built to separate them from the rest of the land. She will be performing to a segregated crowd Edit: (Actually you are right, sorry!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lego 44,165 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 1. You're a fukin idiot. 2. There is fans wating for her for years, so fuk off. 3. Get some REAL and true education about the place. 4. Know everyone any fan has the right to see Gaga. Rude. If any fan has the right to see Gaga how come that right will be denied to her palestinian and lebanese fans? Even if citizen of whatever country passes through Lebanon & has their stamp in passport he/she does not have the right to enter Israel. What about the rights of that fan? FreePalestine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Fyi, this isn't exactly true. Their land is separate, but that doesn't mean they aren't allowed into israel at all. Palestinians are allowed to enter israel, and could attend the show. There are extremely unjust and illegal laws put in place to stop Palestinians from entering Israel. They are being held captive in their own land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement#Freedom_of_movement_of_Israeli_citizens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizoda 3,857 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Everytime a celebrity goes to Israel it is reported to high heavens by their media and is used to try and show the rest of the world that they are a normal state that anyone can visit . This is far from the truth , the place is very segregated and the concert will also be segregated as it is an apartheid state , the Palestinians will be not allowed In. For those of you who think she should go for the fans, the fans she will be performing for are those that are the privileged in an apartheid state (Israeli Jews). People from Gaza are not permitted to enter Tel Aviv, her Palestinian fans are under being illegally detained by the Israeli army. Trust me on this it is an important issue and I wouldn't place importance on it unless it was. No moral person should support Israel's economy until they no longer carry out racial segregation and apartheid on the Palestinians. Israel still applies 20 laws that privilege Jews over Arabs. For example, the 1950 Law of Return grants automatic citizenship rights to Jews from anywhere in the world upon request, while denying that same right to Palestinians Government resources, meanwhile, are disproportionately directed to Jews and not to Arabs, one factor in causing the Palestinians of Israel to suffer the lowest living standards in Israeli society by all economic indicators. Human Rights Watch has compiled an extensive study of Israel's policy of "separate, not equal" schools for Palestinian children, finding that "Government-run Arab schools are a world apart from government-run Jewish schools. In virtually every respect, Palestinian Arab children get an education inferior to that of Jewish children, and their relatively poor performance in school reflects this." As many as 100 Palestinian villages in Israel, many of which pre-date the founding of the state, are not recognized by the Israeli government, and are not listed on maps and receive no services (water, electricity, sanitation, roads, etc.) from the government. More than 70,000 Palestinians live in these unrecognized villages. Meanwhile, hundreds of new Jewish towns have been established on lands confiscated from Palestinians. This country goes against everything Gaga has stood for and is being boycotted by many influential moral people around the world and Gaga should do the same, sometimes the moral thing is more important than the money. Years from now when Palestine is free, just like when south African apartheid ended people will look back at those that supported Israel and supported their economy and will see just how detrimental they were to the peace talks. I know the easy thing for us to do would be to ignore all this but we have to try to do our part to help make the world a better place https://www.change.org/petitions/lady-gaga-don-t-play-apartheid-israel-this-summer-boycott-apartheid-israel I think she must to do the same than in Russia, voice the injustice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boniva4lyfe 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 There are extremely unjust and illegal laws put in place to stop Palestinians from entering Israel. They are being held captive in their own land http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement#Freedom_of_movement_of_Israeli_citizens You are right, I apologize! I was misinformed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 1. You're a fukin idiot. 2. There is fans wating for her for years, so fuk off. 3. Get some REAL and true education about the place. 4. Know everyone any fan has the right to see Gaga. You obviously are having a hard time hearing the truth, you know the saying the truth hurts. Every fan has the right to see Gaga, even those in Palestine. Maybe if Israel stopped it's apartheid ruling then every fan of Gaga could freely see her but that is not the case as present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupid 760 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Gaga doesn't "need" to do anything tbh. Every fan around the world deserve to have the possibility of seeing her live. Entertainment and politics should not be as intervened. If anything she could go there and speak about the issue while performing, like in Russia. That would raise more awareness than just skipping the country. It would make headlines and make a splash tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I really wouldn't call her fans in Tel Aviv the "privileged one in the apartheid" because a vast about of them are LGBT and despite the city having one of the largest gay pride events in the world, there is still massive about of violence toward gay people and especially transs-xuals there. If Gaga refused to perform there, her fans would feel like she's turing a blind eye to the violence they face, and on top of that, because of a decision they did not make, but their government. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VforVendetta 2,024 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I see your point and you are right from that point of view but I'd prefer Gaga to visit Israel and make some statements in her concert rather than just not go. Its more risky but it can have more impact also. :yes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets Party 0 Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hello LetsParty, First of all, Let me start by saying that you have the right to say your opinion and it is okay to have a different political view on things than other people. As much as I see where you are going with this thread, I disagree with it completely! I don't really want to enter this political issue right here because it is a very wide subject and how you see Israel is not always what the people in Israel see and not necessarily what other people see so I wouldn't base your information as 100% facts. Both sides did their mistakes and both sides deal with the consequences of war. What you are saying here is "forbidding" fans to enjoy the entertainment and art LG offers. This is the priority here and I don't think you should forget this. ArtRave is for the fans, It is about making the fans experience the same psychedelic entertainment the album offers but LIVE. Forbidding fans to enjoy that as an excuse for politics is the worst thing to do as an entertainer and as one that "lives for the Applause.". The fans are not responsible for the consequences of the war and they shouldn't be punished for that. Israeli Arabs could still enter the show, aswell as Israeli Jews. You could ask: why does Israel act the way they do to Gaza? But I could ask you at the same time: Why is Gaza managed by a Terror Organization? The point is that there is no winners in this situation. There are only losers. You cannot put ART and ENTERTAINMENT in the same box with POLITICS. It is not fair to do this to the fans that have no responsibility for the Government's actions. I hope you understood my point of view on this topic! Have a great day! I get what your saying in regards to the fans but she needs to stay away as her performing there will be used as propaganda for the Israelis to justify their country as a regular country, which it is not, it is an apartheid state and should be treated as such. Her decision to play in the apartheid state will be instrumentalised - against her will - as propaganda for the maintenance of a horrifying status quo in Israel/Palestine: that is a brutal, decades-long occupation, ongoing ethnic cleansing, continual land theft, passing of over 20 racist laws within Israel/'48, and the crackdown on human rights groups. I really feel for those Israeli fans who will not get the chance to see Gaga but truly they can travel the world and see her anywhere they want, the same can't be said for those in Gaza and Palestine who are not allowed to leave due to the Israeli occupation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MahoganySnitch 67 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I get what your saying in regards to the fans but she needs to stay away as her performing there will be used as propaganda for the Israelis to justify their country as a regular country, which it is not, it is an apartheid state and should be treated as such. Her decision to play in the apartheid state will be instrumentalised - against her will - as propaganda for the maintenance of a horrifying status quo in Israel/Palestine: that is a brutal, decades-long occupation, ongoing ethnic cleansing, continual land theft, passing of over 20 racist laws within Israel/'48, and the crackdown on human rights groups. I really feel for those Israeli fans who will not get the chance to see Gaga but truly they can travel the world and see her anywhere they want, the same can't be said for those in Gaza and Palestine who are not allowed to leave due to the Israeli occupation. Wait, people in Gaza aren't allowed to leave? I'm not really educated when it comes to the Israel/Palestine conflict so I don't know much about logistics and movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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