ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Honestly reading all that you wrote Alex, it seemed a lot more like you were boxing Gaga into who she should be --- formulaic, hit making, stereotypical, etc etc. I cant say for sure, seeing as I do not know Gaga in person, but of what I know of her, everything you said just seemed so darn insulting to the person Gaga is -- or truly trying to become. The fact that she does not want to remain stagnant is one of the many reasons I love Gaga. What you suggested sounded like an epic step back on her path as an artist, and i can never agree with that. Now it looks like you're going back on that by trying to claim the main point of what you said was not that she should be what you want her to be :P Picking apart arguments does not mean u can ignore what u have literally just said just because it wasn' the "main message". I Agree with part of what your saying --- she can't do everything...but we don't know all thats even going on, its not fair for us to just assume shes doing EVERYTHING herself. She has control of her career, but it doesnt mean that it's not a monopoly... Theres just way 2 much assumption on EVERYONE's part for this to even be up for debate... Also... did people forget she has a "new" manager already and has had one for weeks -- he may have even been working behind the scenes for much longer since he did work under Troy... I can't at people never mentioning him anymore. She is hard at work. Honestly, if gaga never gets another #1 single in her life, i could care less. I'm here for the music, the personality and her own special flair. Whether or not the general public realizes how amazing she is or not is irrelevant to me. Stay Pressed, GP. 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSlayedYou 2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 #YAS I love G.U.Y! We are getting a big video, perfomances, tour promo! omg I'm not prepared for this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Bit Heart 66 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Honestly reading all that you wrote Alex, it seemed a lot more like you were boxing Gaga into who she should be --- formulaic, hit making, stereotypical, etc etc. I cant say for sure, seeing as I do not know Gaga in person, but of what I know of her, everything you said just seemed so darn insulting to the person Gaga is -- or truly trying to become. The fact that she does not want to remain stagnant is one of the many reasons I love Gaga. What you suggested sounded like an epic step back on her path as an artist, and i can never agree with that. Now it looks like you're going back on that by trying to claim the main point of what you said was not that she should be what you want her to be :P Picking apart arguments does not mean u can ignore what u have literally just said just because it wasn' the "main message". I Agree with part of what your saying --- she can't do everything...but we don't know all thats even going on, its not fair for us to just assume shes doing EVERYTHING herself. She has control of her career, but it doesnt mean that it's not a monopoly... Theres just way 2 much assumption on EVERYONE's part for this to even be up for debate... Also... did people forget she has a "new" manager already and has had one for weeks -- he may have even been working behind the scenes for much longer since he did work under Troy... I can't at people never mentioning him anymore. She is hard at work. Honestly, if gaga never gets another #1 single in her life, i could care less. I'm here for the music, the personality and her own special flair. Whether or not the general public realizes how amazing she is or not is irrelevant to me. Stay Pressed, GP. Saying that Gaga should let pros do what pros do = boxing her into what she should become? No. I'm saying that she should take control but not COMPLETE or near complete control. It's for her own good, really. She used to want the fame and fortune so badly, why destroy the empire she has painstakingly built now? Don't tell me she does it for the music and not the bling when her first album is titled The Fame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHWilson 559 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Please stop putting her into a box. I honestly won't spend much time on you because clearly you have a limited perspective on what title someone is giving. However, when did Michael Jackson "take a step back"? When people didn't approve he still pushed forward. Being a Pop Star doesn't mean she has to dilute her creativity because OTHER people don't necessarily like it or approve of it. Nothing about Gaga is traditional Pop star (in the essence of bubble gum, kids-bop type of persona/music). To say otherwise would be your lack of understanding what generic pop means. Furthermore, generic Pop music? Yes because Speechless, Bad Romance, Bloody Mary, Paparazzi, Highway Unicorn, Brown Eyes, Venus, Applause, etc. are ALL generic and everyone in the industry has her same lyrical wordplay/metaphorical references. NOT. I don't care what charts when it comes to Gaga because her QUALITY of music is so much higher than those other singers. NO ONE IS WRITING THEIR OWN MUSIC or have the ability to play it live, in the generic pop world. She gets a lot of points from that fact alone. Gaga is everything she says she is because thats what SHE BELIEVES. If you don't think she's a performance artist then that's fine, that's YOUR opinion. The only thing that matters is how she views herself and what she thinks she is. I can't believe some of you would rather her just sit there and have a whole team create her and tell her what she should do/or act like. Ugh, I think that's when I would stop liking her if she'd EVER sell out like that. . . . Lastly, if you seriously think Love Game or Eh Eh amounts to some of her greatest records I CAN'T take you serious. I so wanna give you a big hug for having said what you said, and for the way you said it. Thank you. nonsequitur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Bit Heart 66 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Thank you free poster. You made me realize what I should skip. I wanted to reply with a longer reading to explain my opionin which is completely the opposite, but since I am free to post what I want, I say that I d like to see you having 40millions followers each one telling you what you should do and see how you would feel. You are a free poster on a fansite that freely posts negative opinions for free, to remeber us why the artist you and I follow must not be free to do as she pleases. Why stay here if there is nothing left for you to enjoy? Take your freedom and use it at its fullest. Free your mind from the ARTPOP flop and make this complaining stop. Excuse me, I am a fan. Talk to me when you can type in comprehensible, cohesive English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
defectds 13 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Since when are hit-making and formulaic bad things lol. That's how she got where she is now. We let her shed the team and do her own thing and it clearly has not gone well. Sure she's got another video coming out but thats not going to magically bring ARTPOP out from the ashes and clear her good name. She is 100% in her right to completely live for her work as all artists do. As a graphic designer who just escaped a demanding and burdening job under a micromanaging boss, I can attest to the freedom I'm sure she's feeling now. But if her "all-her-own" work isn't good enough, all she's going to have are her super-devoted fans to keep her afloat because ARTPOP in it's entirety hasn't and can't. We're all here because we have a genuine interest in Gaga. We obviously all want the best so that there's still a Gaga in the future to be a fan of so please let's not resort to the "if you don't have anything nice to say why are you even here" argument. She's not god. She can do wrong. Let's talk about it rather than blindly praising every step she walks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHWilson 559 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Talk to me when you can type in comprehensible, cohesive English. As you wish Sir. Thank you for having chosen me to let your harshness and haughtiness out. It will do you good. At least today I've found something more bothersome than hemorrhoids. When you start arguing with no voice nor face you get that something is not right, so I stop here, Sir. Never change, you're a kind spirit. nonsequitur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsTommyBitch 12,640 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 She should definitely take a step back and let a director do what a director's gotta do. She needs to stop trying to grill in the notion that she's good at every aspect of her career when we all know how the BTW era turned out. She's a MUSICIAN, a POP STAR, she is trained to write good songs, hit the appropriate notes, play the piano etc, but she is NOT a film maker, NOT a photographer (ahem, Judas single cover), NOT a performance artist (even if she thinks it is). No matter how she tries to evolve and steer away from making generic pop songs, that is what she needs to learn to do. Throw in good bops, make tongue in cheek videos, release stuff ON TIME. That's what makes her a POP STAR. If she doesn't want to do what I've just said, then retire from pop music and make alternative material, or go into fashion design or something. She is doing EVERYTHING, doing the MOST, except for fun, cheeky pop music. Gone are the days we had sweet bops like LoveGame and Eh Eh. Yeah im talking about this when i mention you basically boxing her in... And her first album is called the Fame, but its not just a vapid expression of how much she LOVES it and is rolling in mad cash. Even back when Poker Face came out, it was never a simple song about just having a poker face. Shes always been a master of entendres in her music. It only took the GP years to realize that she actually stood for something when she named her 2nd/3rd (w.e, its disputed) album "Born This Way". Gaga has always been Gaga, and even though shes evolving into a new artist, her original artistry and creativity are present. Even During the fame, i never saw her as a basic, gimmick-y artist. I think it was the 2009 VMA's that made me finally realize that Gaga was not an ordinary popstar, though i regret not fully immersing myself into her music until BTW/ARTPOP :P And while the Fame had great management, its my least favorite of all of her albums. Im here for the music and for her as an artist. The Fame seems the most soul-less on the cover of all of her albums, and while i have come to appreciate its meaning, BTW, TFM, And especially ARTPOP all relate to me more. Just my own personal experience as a gaga fan. A All people see things differently. What ive bolded here is literally you trying to define who she is as an artist (by basically saying that she is not an artist - just a "POPSTAR") Maybe she wants to be a different type of POPSTAR. I dont feel like arguing, but you are really acting like you didnt say all of these things... If you didn't mean it, just say so and move on :) #promoteonlinekindness Also, @ defectds there' nothing wrong with hit-making formulaic traits in a POPSTAR, or in any form of media really. Except that gaga has been speaking about this entire era how she does not want to be that formulaic. She wants to live and experience her career how she wants. I dont think shes ever going to go full "alternative", because shes expressed how much she loves Pop Music as an art form itself... but she might, who knows, I'm obviously not her. (or am i ) Oh and last thing... The idea that Gaga surrounds herself with only people who tell her exactly what she wants to hear is ridiculous, unwarranted, and based on no real knowledge of the inner workings of Gaga & the Haus. While some fans may blindly follow her, some people can still be educated and understanding at the same time. Im not talking about you in particular, but hiding behind the veil of "open, critical discussion of her flaws" is not the same as the plain bashing negative comments some people on this forum say about Gaga. Obviously she isn't perfect, but its possible to accept that without being so gosh darn negative about everything she does or doesn't do. Could this era have been managed better? Possibly. Does complaining about it every few threads help anything except to pass along negative thoughts and feelings? Definitely. Live and Let Live. Move on. #VENUS O/ 私自身もこの世の中も誰もかれもが, どんなに華やかな人生でも, どんなに悲惨な人生でも, いつかは変貌し, 破壊され、消滅してしまう. すべてがもともとこの世に存在しない一瞬の幻想なのだから Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interludicrous 15 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I agree that she should be allowed to explore her capabilities, but she needs to have professional intervention to make sure it's fruitful exploration. Agreed, she needs to balance it out. But we have to remember that most of her projects up untill now have been done in collaboration with professionals. It's only logical that, if she want to learn, she has to try to stand on her own two feet every once in a while. The MTN video was a perfect example - it was the end of the BTW era and the song was very personal, so it was a great opportunity to experiment. But I agree that it might be best to hire people who know 100% what they're doing now that she's becoming less succesful (or at least, if she wants to make video's that more people will love). But tbh she should make stuff that she herself loves, and if that means doing stuff on her own than we should just take it or leave it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupid 760 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Well isn't this thread a big pile of mess :dead: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Bit Heart 66 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Agreed, she needs to balance it out. But we have to remember that most of her projects up untill now have been done in collaboration with professionals. It's only logical that, if she want to learn, she has to try to stand on her own two feet every once in a while. The MTN video was a perfect example - it was the end of the BTW era and the song was very personal, so it was a great opportunity to experiment. But I agree that it might be best to hire people who know 100% what they're doing now that she's becoming less succesful (or at least, if she wants to make video's that more people will love). But tbh she should make stuff that she herself loves, and if that means doing stuff on her own than we should just take it or leave it. Exactly what I'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarryNight 10,105 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Well isn't this thread a big pile of mess :dead: I'm wondering why is this thread still so active Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haroon 49,685 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I kinda wish ARTPOP was a single It's so euphoric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieHWilson 559 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I kinda wish ARTPOP was a single It's so euphoric Ikr :) nonsequitur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J e s s e 454 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tbh I was disappointed it was ARTPOP :coffee: "They have as much in common as dinosaurs and goldfish: the cracker kind!" - Penelope Garcia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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