aaronyoji 2,054 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I think the arguments people are having stem from the precarious position that Gaga has set herself in as both a commercial artist and as a symbolic friend/mother to her fans. As a commercial artist, is Gaga morally obligated to connect with her fans? No. Seen as a friend, is Gaga morally obligated to connect with her friends (fans)? Yes. One would be a ****ty friend if one stopped talking to one's friends for months at a time and would be breaking the moral conditions of friendship that have been set up in our society. Gaga has blended the line between the two positions rather well for a long time, but this current situation really shows how different the two positions are, and how they both demand different sets of expectations. Once and for all, we all simply need to watch the skype interview and the Oprah interview blackout segment to recall that Gaga is clearly not talking to her fans because she wants to reclaim the sense of creativity she had before she became a star, when she was living on her own in NYC. She wants to do this album for herself, not for the fans. So she's pretending that her fans and her stardom don't even exist, so she doesn't have to deal with those expectations. When she was alone in NYC, she didn't have 30 million people to tweet to, so she's not doing that now. So let's stop debating WHY she's behaving this way. We already know. Case closed. But the argument over what Gaga is or is not morally obligated to do for her fans is still open, depending on which position you think Gaga occupies -- commercial artist or friend. Personally, I think every artist is required to sacrifice something for their creativity, and I see that she has to sacrifice her friendship with the fans in order to pursue the higher priority of feeding her creativity and flying solo. I think it's a bargain that not only works well for her, but will work well for us in the end, as well, when we receive more interesting work from her. But in order to make this excruciating wait seem more bearable, I'm going to do my best to only check GGD once a day quickly for news, and if nothing has happened, I'll go on my merry way and pretend just as Gaga is pretending right now -- that she's in the same space she was in before she was ever famous. As if she had never become a star. So for the next couple months, I'm just going to pretend that Gaga isn't a part of my life, and when she comes back, it'll be as if I'm hearing her for the first time. great theory. :clap: brava. At this point we know that ARTPOP is "fresh, trippy and Rad" and "about possibilities" omg fresh trippy and rad!! i remember when i made up that rumor here last year lol. good to see my impact is still panning out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenEyes 1,050 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 The 6/29/13 is not going to happen people! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady 748 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) I wonder why so many from her team have said that it's coming sooner than we think... Like...what? Edited May 27, 2013 by Liisbet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuelx 1,309 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 The 6/29/13 is not going to happen people! rembur ertpopz iz abut posibltyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuelx 1,309 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I wonder why so many from her team have said that it's coming sooner than we think... Like...what? I think they said that cause everyone thinks it's coming out in 2014 +. and it's probably not. :toofloppy: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratchetslut 0 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Does anyone else think that the 6.29.13 thing is gonna happen? Like an announcement of an announcement or something? I'm not putting too much hope into that date but its still a good thought. omg fresh trippy and rad!! i remember when i made up that rumor here last year lol. good to see my impact is still panning out. omg dead right now aaronyoji, his impact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaney 5,515 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 It's clearly a strategy! She truly creates a decay eventhough there is no decay at all. She uses the negativity that BTW brought to her name, the media blackout, the thirst of the fans and the fact that eventhough the GP thinks that BTW era made Gaga lose relevance BTW gave Gaga many new fans, power and range. With the combination of all these she will explode to the industry even more that The Fame days! And the best is that everybody will think that she makes a comeback and that eventhough she was always here! She knows the game better than anyone else in the industry tbh... :clap: This is so true. This connects to the Paparazzi video too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak 6,653 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I think the arguments people are having stem from the precarious position that Gaga has set herself in as both a commercial artist and as a symbolic friend/mother to her fans. As a commercial artist, is Gaga morally obligated to connect with her fans? No. Seen as a friend, is Gaga morally obligated to connect with her friends (fans)? Yes. One would be a ****ty friend if one stopped talking to one's friends for months at a time and would be breaking the moral conditions of friendship that have been set up in our society. Gaga has blended the line between the two positions rather well for a long time, but this current situation really shows how different the two positions are, and how they both demand different sets of expectations. Once and for all, we all simply need to watch the skype interview and the Oprah interview blackout segment to recall that Gaga is clearly not talking to her fans because she wants to reclaim the sense of creativity she had before she became a star, when she was living on her own in NYC. She wants to do this album for herself, not for the fans. So she's pretending that her fans and her stardom don't even exist, so she doesn't have to deal with those expectations. When she was alone in NYC, she didn't have 30 million people to tweet to, so she's not doing that now. So let's stop debating WHY she's behaving this way. We already know. Case closed. But the argument over what Gaga is or is not morally obligated to do for her fans is still open, depending on which position you think Gaga occupies -- commercial artist or friend. Personally, I think every artist is required to sacrifice something for their creativity, and I see that she has to sacrifice her friendship with the fans in order to pursue the higher priority of feeding her creativity and flying solo. I think it's a bargain that not only works well for her, but will work well for us in the end, as well, when we receive more interesting work from her. But in order to make this excruciating wait seem more bearable, I'm going to do my best to only check GGD once a day quickly for news, and if nothing has happened, I'll go on my merry way and pretend just as Gaga is pretending right now -- that she's in the same space she was in before she was ever famous. As if she had never become a star. So for the next couple months, I'm just going to pretend that Gaga isn't a part of my life, and when she comes back, it'll be as if I'm hearing her for the first time. I want to give you so many hugs right now. :cry: Know you're getting a standing ovation. Take a moment to think of just flexibility, love, and trust~ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Just to get back to the more trolly bits... Although I love this deepness... I finished writing my A Dame for Him lyrics, and I am very tempted to put them up as actual lyrics all over tumblr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Black 0 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Just to get back to the more trolly bits... Although I love this deepness... I finished writing my A Dame for Him lyrics, and I am very tempted to put them up as actual lyrics all over tumblr. I can't believe people still fall for this. I will only believe in the lyrics when I hear them coming out of Gaga's mouth tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 i remember someone here had a theory that the ARTPOP app will be a continuous thing where she uploads music throughout her career, sort of sending the message that ARTPOP is what her entire career has led up to. ARTPOP is her mission statement and is the subgenre that is "gaga" music and its experience. i actually quite like this idea. it seems like something she would do, ARTPOP will never be a done finished project, because it is a life long endeavor to her art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I can't believe people still fall for this. I will only believe in the lyrics when I hear them coming out of Gaga's mouth tbh It's still fun. But the main thing is is that the people who are writing the lyrics don't know how to write. At least I semi-decently know what I am doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiunzhan 997 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 omg fresh trippy and rad!! i remember when i made up that rumor here last year lol. good to see my impact is still panning out. OH LOOOORD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakedidea 745 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 34 days to ARTPOP! HASHTAG #ARTPOP will not happen! It's already in CAPS... I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope the app is not exclusively to iOS.... I f*cken hate apple. Ugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyGagaStan93 129 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 i remember someone here had a theory that the ARTPOP app will be a continuous thing where she uploads music throughout her career, sort of sending the message that ARTPOP is what her entire career has led up to. ARTPOP is her mission statement and is the subgenre that is "gaga" music and its experience. i actually quite like this idea. it seems like something she would do, ARTPOP will never be a done finished project, because it is a life long endeavor to her art. In a sense she's kind of hinted this herself. The ARTPOP app is an actual program that other artist will be able to use says Troy, so they're not just making it for her but for other artist to use. It's an investment really, but I can totally see her continuing to use the APP to upload other songs that she wont use commercially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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