aaronyoji 2,054 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Lol wut? Telephone is one of her best songs with regards to the general public? There were no flaws in TFM era. There were flaws in the other two. Therefore TFM >>>>>>>>>>>. nothing about the fame/monster eras were "flawless" as you guys like to perpetuate. neither was born this way! it was flawed, yes, but thats great. the fame and fame monster albums/era where not perfect either. thats okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,155 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 So all the underground artist that release the most amazing, but commercially uninteresting, music are amateurs? Gaga's hits are hits because they're generic and radio-friendly. But that doesn't mean they're genius. Financial success / success with the GP does not equal quality. THE FAME MONSTER = Commercial succes aka radio-friendly + wonderful, masterpiece. That's what makes it so special, do you get it already or wut lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 THE FAME MONSTER = Commercial succes aka radio-friendly + wonderful, masterpiece. That's what makes it so special, do you get it already or wut lol What annoys me on this forum is that people never read the posts others quote. That is not what I was talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Laurent 4,862 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 So all the underground artist that release the most amazing, but commercially uninteresting, music are amateurs? Gaga's hits are hits because they're generic and radio-friendly. But that doesn't mean they're genius. Financial success / success with the GP does not equal quality. If something sells 12 million copies, it's completely genius. If they weren't amateurs and if their music was up to standard then they would have made it already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,155 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 What annoys me on this forum is that people never read the posts others quote. That is not what I was talking about So what!? It just came to my mind so I made sure you had it into account Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 So all the underground artist that release the most amazing, but commercially uninteresting, music are amateurs? Gaga's hits are hits because they're generic and radio-friendly. But that doesn't mean they're genius. Financial success / success with the GP does not equal quality. i agree with where you stand, but i always disagree about how you feel the need to make deprecating remarks at gaga's expense just to defend the artistic side of things. yes, her music was very base and a bit generic in the beginning, but she's evolved highly and in monumental rates. our arguments and opinions of her must evolve with her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 If something sells 12 million copies, it's completely genius. If they weren't amateurs and if their music was up to standard then they would have made it already. That is the most ridiculous statement about music I have ever heard. Are you like serious or are you just trolling me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Laurent 4,862 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 nothing about the fame/monster eras were "flawless" as you guys like to perpetuate. neither was born this way! it was flawed, yes, but thats great. the fame and fame monster albums/era where not perfect either. thats okay. That's the thing tho. TFM era was not flawed, it was perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananahammock 1 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 BORN THIS WAY BALL > Monster Ball tho oh yeah i agree, i LOVED the born this way ball but the monster ball fit in so well with the greatness of the TFM era whereas the BTW era was more hit and miss altogether Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Laurent 4,862 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 That is the most ridiculous statement about music I have ever heard. Are you like serious or are you just trolling me? What's ridiculous about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 i agree with where you stand, but i always disagree about how you feel the need to make deprecating remarks at gaga's expense just to defend the artistic side of things. yes, her music was very base and a bit generic in the beginning, but she's evolved highly and in monumental rates. our arguments and opinions of her must evolve with her. She has evolved, but her songs still aren't groundbreaking songs. I'm comparing her to the legends that inspire her: Springsteen, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson, Megadeth,... She's not making thóse songs. It's not deprecating, it's just honest. Why would you try to compare Gaga with Pink Floyd and make Gaga look good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,155 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 oh yeah i agree, i LOVED the born this way ball but the monster ball fit in so well with the greatness of the TFM era whereas the BTW era was more hit and miss altogether I agree that The Monster Ball suits perfectly and It's the perfect extension of the album, but The Born This Way Ball as a show slays every single tour on Earth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 That's the thing tho. TFM era was not flawed, it was perfect. maybe to some of you, but if TFM era was received the way the btw era was, no one would be up its ass, regardless of whether the music was still up to par. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,379 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 What's ridiculous about it. This: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_of_Darkness,_Demons_of_Light_II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille 1,155 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 She has evolved, but her songs still aren't groundbreaking songs. I'm comparing her to the legends that inspire her: Springsteen, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson, Megadeth,... She's not making thóse songs. It's not deprecating, it's just honest. Why would you try to compare Gaga with Pink Floyd and make Gaga look good Who is Pink Floyd tho? Honestly, do you really think they're good or it's just the publicity and promotion they carry on their back what makes you think they're a legend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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