Whispering 18,865 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I agree but the market that Gaga is trying to appeal to is not like that Royals and Same Love were big hits on Pop radio. Team is the next in line. Most of the folky/alternative music that's so popular now, comes from artists with more serious themes in their music. Pink's albums will have songs about family struggles, addiction or abuse. Jessie J is another one that will have songs about more serious topics. The pop market is wide and varied. Everything can't be dance and party. There's nothing wrong or atypical about Gaga having a few songs on her albums that are about more serious themes or are darker in nature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristessa 0 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I think it's great she uses her platform for important causes and giving a voice to people who need one. Being a pop star and standing for something don't cancel eachother out at all necessarily.. it's not like she's the first to do it. Admittedly I tend to feel alienated by it a lot sometimes, but as long as I enjoyed the music I could just drown out the other stuff. And in general, I don't think it's wrong to have a cause in your music, great music, pop or otherwise, has always been made that way for years and I think she's keen on that too - I also think her intentions are entirely genuine - I doubt she'd have made BTW if they weren't. Though, I do think the whole, kind of forced, "voice of a generation" image or music isn't always necessary to still make meaningful art and help people. Sometimes just leading by example can be a stronger way to send a message. But I still applaud her for what she's accomplished and continues to- if anything I would like her to take on even more universal concepts in her music someday, like MJ did for example, without seeming "preachy" or anything at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Dallas 11 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I prefer that she keeps the preaching out of her music, but incorporates it in person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos 3,196 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 There was time where i loved it and i admired her for doing it, but lately it has just been annoying, like a bitter grandma who can't stop making mistakes but tells you how to live your life... This makes me wonder how much of her preacheness during the TFM and BTW was real and not just an act, put together by her team and lable, cause right now everything seems to fall apart without her old team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHGUY 230 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Royals and Same Love were big hits on Pop radio. Team is the next in line. Most of the folky/alternative music that's so popular now, comes from artists with more serious themes in their music. Pink's albums will have songs about family struggles, addiction or abuse. Jessie J is another one that will have songs about more serious topics. The pop market is wide and varied. Everything can't be dance and party. There's nothing wrong or atypical about Gaga having a few songs on her albums that are about more serious themes or are darker in nature. But BTW was too serious and not enough fun, especially when Gaga was known for having fun dance songs. And Gaga released BTW during a time when it was still taboo to sing about gay themes before all the recent legislation that passed in the US... Gaga really paved the way to make it less taboo and more accepting of singing about gay themes, it just sucks that it was at the expense of her popularity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryhanna 3,507 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I like that she feels strongly about her message. It adds depth to her as a figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Angel 0 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I do miss how she did it during the Monster Ball. It was a powerful message, but it blended well with her shows and it did not feel like she was pressing a certain point of view. Do you think gradually, we've been seeing Gaga become more collective in her thinking? We know she is liberal and supports Obama. So would it be fair to say she's in favor of big government? I'm getting at, could this been going towards a socialist idealism of some kind? Or is she more moderate like a Hillary Clinton? She once said in radio interview (cleveland one before the presidential election) that she is in favour of redistribution of money by government - from rich to poor. So yeah, i think she favours socialist views and more power to big governmemt over the money of poeple. Or maybe she doesnt research it that much and just randomly said what she considered right in this moment. She is idealist in many other ways, like her 'be always good, never be critical, we can change the world.' :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrosia 3,775 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I do not enjoy Gaga mixing her preaching with the music, no. I wouldn't like all of the preachy dialogue at a concert, for sure. I just don't like it mixed with the music scene, unless it is used in lyrics in the songs. I would be alright with Gaga making a political album or leading some sort of benefit thru performance or album release. Then I can decide if I want to choose to hear or watch it, before hand. I do care and appreciate that she stands for movements and supports important issues, I'd just prefer that she do it aside from the music and artistry. Her music is more of an escape from issues so far, so I don't believe that her preachiness benefits her shows or performances. She's also been known to talk too much preachiness in concert and put too many songs in combined medleys and that is super annoying to me. I am here the most for the music and not the message, unless it's fantasy with the music. I agree with much of this and *high-five* you on the political album idea. Artists that had some politically-driven or at least loose statement-making themed albums: The Clash, U2, Bruce Springsteen, just for starters. Then, there are songs that had some influence on changing the landscape; whether it be historically or culturally, from the likes of John Lennon, Aretha Franklin, Bob Dylan, Marvin Gaye, etc. Music is an excellent way to speak to many people and get our POV across. Or even, make us aware of cultural divides. For example, I don't care for rap, but when I try to listen to some of it, I realize there are people who grew up in a much different world than I've ever seen. Not to mention, some rap is very political and hard-hitting in its frankness. And for that alone, I can respect it. Music bridges so many gaps. I'm somewhat getting OT- but yes, if Gaga wishes to preach, I hope she writes about it and puts it in a song; if she wants to be remembered for her singing and her causes, that is place for it, and for her - I think it could be excellent - depending upon the message and how it's incorporated. I think her views are jaded and fundamentally I can't relate to most of what she says. I like her music and her art, I like her personality and her intentions, but I don't care for a lot of her idea's and the way that she interacts with her fans. I think a lot of her views are misguided to be frank. You know, this may be a bit true too. However, some fans may not notice because they may be misguided as well, and desperately want someone to look up to and believe in, while politicians are hardly fitting that bill. That's why putting her thoughts in a song may be more meaningful and far-reaching, and because people can pick and choose what they want to listen to - they may not feel that she is preaching so much. If she's saying this at her concerts mainly, you are kind of stuck there. Or maybe that's the intention? She needs to make it seem as though her listeners have a choice. Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others. -Socrates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itaita 0 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I appreciate her self-awareness and acknowledging certain topics in her songs. What don't like is when its ham-fisted in songs like "Bad Kids". Songs like "Hair" and "Highway Unicorn" get it just right and give the song another layer beyond the musicality. Being a visionary in your own medium, say like David Bowie, means that you do 90% of it through your art. In LG's case, I often found myself cringing at some of the 'preachy' elements of live performances/interviews because I felt like that they could be better transmitted through music and be almost more effective that way sometimes. BTW was a good start, though. Is there a song on ARTPOP that does what BTW did, in your opinion? I agree with much of this and *high-five* you on the political album idea. Artists that had some politically-driven or at least loose statement-making themed albums: The Clash, U2, Bruce Springsteen, just for starters. Then, there are songs that had some influence on changing the landscape; whether it be historically or culturally, from the likes of John Lennon, Aretha Franklin, Bob Dylan, Marvin Gaye, etc. Music is an excellent way to speak to many people and get our POV across. Or even, make us aware of cultural divides. For example, I don't care for rap, but when I try to listen to some of it, I realize there are people who grew up in a much different world than I've ever seen. Not to mention, some rap is very political and hard-hitting in its frankness. And for that alone, I can respect it. Music bridges so many gaps. I'm somewhat getting OT- but yes, if Gaga wishes to preach, I hope she writes about it and puts it in a song; if she wants to be remembered for her singing and her causes, that is place for it, and for her - I think it could be excellent - depending upon the message and how it's incorporated. You know, this may be a bit true too. However, some fans may not notice because they may be misguided as well, and desperately want someone to look up to and believe in, while politicians are hardly fitting that bill. That's why putting her thoughts in a song may be more meaningful and far-reaching, and because people can pick and choose what they want to listen to - they may not feel that she is preaching so much. If she's saying this at her concerts mainly, you are kind of stuck there. Or maybe that's the intention? She needs to make it seem as though her listeners have a choice. You put it better that I could have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soixont 613 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I thought this was a Madonna comparison thread... :reductive: A King With No Crown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheiBist 3 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Being a visionary in your own medium, say like David Bowie, means that you do 90% of it through your art. In LG's case, I often found myself cringing at some of the 'preachy' elements of live performances/interviews because I felt like that they could be better transmitted through music and be almost more effective that way sometimes. BTW was a good start, though. Is there a song on ARTPOP that does what BTW did, in your opinion? I think songs like ARTPOP, G.U.Y., and Sexxx Dreams have interesting messages behind them. ARTPOP delivers the idea she's been touting around this era effortlessly. As for G.U.Y., I think it offers a different perspective on feminism, maybe even reverse-feminism as she put it in the interiview on Howard Stern. As for Sexxx Dreams, she continues to open up about her bis-xuality and you can read in the lyrics the inner struggle she might have had admitting them to her friends in the past. To your other point, I agree to some extent. However, I thought the meat dress was poignant for the message she was trying to get across and showed the kind of risks she was willing to take to preach her message. Even if people still make jokes about her meat dress, at least it kept the conversation going about DADT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoshLife 16,868 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I love that she uses her influence to focus people on issues that matter to her. In fact, most of my favorite stars do: Gaga and LGBT issues, P!nk and LGBT issues (long before other stars were doing it), Vanessa Carlton and animal cruelty, KT Tunstall and GMO's... Pop stars shouldn't be made of plastic; they should be real humans who make beautiful music and talk about the things they care about. Gaga has been making waves long before the BTW era, and I don't want that ever to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emiher 2 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I just hate that nearly all the fans who complained GaGa was too preachy in BTW complained that ARTPOP wasn't deep enough and childish... She's never gonna please everyone, not even her own fans apparently :/ , so she should just do what she wants I say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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