vespertine 3 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 i'm cringing right now s-x sells and nicki did what she wanted and expressed what she and plenty of others feel . how does that even remotely affect you? it wasn't made for children anyways. if everything had to be child appropriate then this world will be screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,872 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 No, kids do not always do what their parents tell them. Parents just have to take that into account. What does that have to do with Anaconda, though? Kids don't always follow music videos either. They'll follow this music video. Nicki has a lot of young fans due to the kiddy-sounding dance pop she made over the last two years. Kids are always on YouTube (some even have accounts even though they're under 13) and Anaconda was on Youtube's front page on the day of release. YouTube is also the #1 resource for kids to listen to music as it's free and you don't need an account or need to be a certain age to view content on the site. Anaconda has also been widely reported on as its gone viral and broken the 24 hour record, just in the same way Miley did, and she was the most talked about female artist of the year. Kids will know this video exists and will be hearing about how raunchy it is and want to see it for themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonna Lee 384 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Gaga get your ass out again if only the DWUW video had been released... :emo: i like it when u treat me mean it turns my mood from black to blue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 They'll follow this music video. Nicki has a lot of young fans due to the kiddy-sounding dance pop she made over the last two years. Kids are always on YouTube (some even have accounts even though they're under 13) and Anaconda was on Youtube's front page on the day of release. YouTube is also the #1 resource for kids to listen to music as it's free and you don't need an account or need to be a certain age to view content on the site. Anaconda has also been widely reported on as its gone viral and broken the 24 hour record, just in the same way Miley did, and she was the most talked about female artist of the year. Kids will know this video exists and will be hearing about how raunchy it is and want to see it for themselves. None of that supports the worry that kids will take any messages or influence from the song/video and apply them to their own lives. If a kid does confuse the video with reality then the problem is that confusion, not the video itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeofTeeth 1,934 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Lol @ this thread becoming an ethical debate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,872 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 i'm cringing right now s-x sells and nicki did what she wanted and expressed what she and plenty of others feel . how does that even remotely affect you? it wasn't made for children anyways. if everything had to be child appropriate then this world will be screwed. Sex may sell but that doesn't make it a good thing. Sex shouldn't be a commodity. Nicki isn't expressing enlightened views here, it's a song about big asses - how is it about "how she and plenty of others feel?" Stuff like this does affect us because the media we consume dictates our views and media changes society. And one of the things media can do is objectify. If a video objectifying women is hugely popular, you'll see a lot more s-xualisation of women in media to sell products. This media in turn influences the public, whether they're aware of it or not. If videos like Anaconda continue to be successful, it's going to cause more record labels to encourage their female artists to be s-xual. Why do you think it's common for female artists to flop with a "meaningful" album and make a comeback as a s-x bomb? If all else fails, s-x is used to sell. So yes, it does affect us all. And even if it's not affecting me personally, I care about those it does affect. And while the video may not be designed for children, that doesn't mean they won't watch it. With that in mind, it should carry an age restriction to exercise some level of responsibility. If a music video contains inappropriate content, just like movies, it should carry an age restriction. I don't see why explicit music videos should differ from explicit movies. There was a time that videos with explicit lyrics would be marked as such in the title and there'd be explicit and clean versions, now they don't even have that. It's the explicit version or none at all. This means parents can't even strike a compromise anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Man 9,245 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Up until this point, her image has been very much targeted to kids. The coloured wigs, the wacky outfits, the cartoon-like appearance. Songs like Super Bass are very child-like until you actually pay attention to the lyrics. That's why that song had a massive following of teen girls and children covering it online. Those two little girls who appeared on Ellen twice after a clip of them singing Super Bass online became popular? Don't you think it's kinda weird for pre-school children to be into Nicki Minaj? You don't see kids of that age being into other rappers. And that's because Nicki's image has been aimed at the young from the very beginning. Her Roman Reloaded era further extended her kid fanbase because it had singles like Starships and Pound The Alarm, which sound like songs you'd hear at kids parties, minus the inappropriate content. But now it's like she's completely forgotten about the influence she has on young children and is making music that is completely inappropriate and isn't even covering it up with a cute pop image anymore. Are all those kids who became her fans to just stop listening to her now? Of course not. And she's far from the only one who does this. It's an old marketing trick: start your career out appealling to young people in order to get a large fanbase (the youth are the biggest music buyers) and then slowly become more adult and allow the complete transformation to take place by the third album. Now, obviously, this is a justifiable concern for parents. It's really creepy when you think about it - marketing an artist to appeal to children but cover the songs with innuendo and let the material get more and more adult over time (and pop stars don't wait years between albums). You have to wonder - what are the industry looking to gain from sending such inappropriate messages to these young fanbases? Whatever the reason, it's understandably concerning parents. And I don't hold with this notion of "not my kids, not my problem." I don't want kids growing up with warped views of the world regardless of whether they're mine or not. It's our job as the adults in charge to protect children from negative influences and put systems in place to protect them. And I definitely don't believe in "it's up to the parents to control what their kids watch." This is 2014, not 1994. Every kid uses a computer at some point during the day in some form. It doesn't matter if they don't have a computer or a smartphone of their own. They'll just go round to a friend's house and use theirs or watch clips on someone's computer at school. You've heard stories before about intimate pictures taken between students that are sent round the whole school on phones, right? How can a parent protect their child from that? They have no responsibility over what they do or see in school. In order to protect a child from every negative influence, a parent would have to never send their child to school and lock them in a room with no electronic devices. As that can't be done, how can a parent control everything their child experiences? It's unrealistic. Sure, parents have the responsibility to research what music their kid wants to buy and what concert they want to see and decide whether to proceed or not, but control everything that the child hears and sees? That's impossible. I notice how all these attitudes always come from people who don't have kids and/or are not interested in having kids. There's nothing wrong with that, but at least try to empathise with those who are parents. The world is full of inappropriate media being thrown at you from every direction and you can't shield your child from everything. Just try to imagine what that's like. We're not saying that women need to cover themselves from head to toe. Just wear clothes. As much clothes as men are wearing. Men don't feel the need to flash the flesh, this is an expectation that's come to be expected of women and so many of us conform without thinking. There's no point saying that it was once scandalous for a woman to show her ankles. We got rid of that idea pretty quick because we realised that there's nothing inherently s-xual about ankles. But there is something inherently s-xual about breasts, asses and gentials. That's why we keep them covered. Is that really an idea we want changed? People walking about indecently exposing themselves to everyone? Darn! You spilled so much tea. Slayed this thread. "A little less conversation and a little more touch my body." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vespertine 3 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Sex may sell but that doesn't make it a good thing. Sex shouldn't be a commodity. Nicki isn't expressing enlightened views here, it's a song about big asses - how is it about "how she and plenty of others feel?" Stuff like this does affect us because the media we consume dictates our views and media changes society. And one of the things media can do is objectify. If a video objectifying women is hugely popular, you'll see a lot more s-xualisation of women in media to sell products. This media in turn influences the public, whether they're aware of it or not. If videos like Anaconda continue to be successful, it's going to cause more record labels to encourage their female artists to be s-xual. Why do you think it's common for female artists to flop with a "meaningful" album and make a comeback as a s-x bomb? If all else fails, s-x is used to sell. So yes, it does affect us all. And even if it's not affecting me personally, I care about those it does affect. And while the video may not be designed for children, that doesn't mean they won't watch it. With that in mind, it should carry an age restriction to exercise some level of responsibility. If a music video contains inappropriate content, just like movies, it should carry an age restriction. I don't see why explicit music videos should differ from explicit movies. There was a time that videos with explicit lyrics would be marked as such in the title and there'd be explicit and clean versions, now they don't even have that. It's the explicit version or none at all. This means parents can't even strike a compromise anymore. first off, i don't feel as if my point got completely across. well yes, such a thing does have impact of sorts in the entertainment industry, especially with musicians that are heavily controlled by management and teams and groups like that. i would not at all want a female be forced to s-xualize herself in a move for attention/sales. it is sad that brands will hop onto any "trend" for money, regardless of what will happen to those involved. as for this case, while it does have meaning, albeit not very valuable, inspiring, nor moving, some people happen to enjoy this, i myself not being one of them. i do indeed agree with plenty of the things you've said. although i have quite limited knowledge about nicki, i do remember some quote she said along the lines of her not trying to be a role model or anything, and because of that, she should be given room to mess up and do what she pleases. are her choices always going to be good? of course not, but everyone, regardless of status has done something without thinking of the longterm domino effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanner 810 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I'm calling Payola too. No one was here for Nicki comeback and nobody was aware of this song, there was no hype for the video. Explain me how you can break a 24 hours record, a record based of expectations and hype ? Something is not right. payola this, payola that Some people on this forum Nicki is not using payola. It's one word - controversy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koreku 2,387 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Inb4 Miley releases music video for next era early by surprise and takes record back You don't deserve a point of view if the only thing you see is you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHE 563 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Because sweaty jiggling butt cracks and cumm metaphors are a thing now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
myOWNtable 182 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I was thinking as a joke that Anaconda would have the amount of views Pills and Potions has....but in one week. Then I check the Anaconda video and it has ALREADY gotten to 45 million views in about two days. Kinda sad, really. No one cared when she released Pills and no one cared when she released Anaconda, but as soon as she brought back her butt for the video, she's right back to the top. I wonder if she has anything else to offer. :koons: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHE 563 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I was thinking as a joke that Anaconda would have the amount of views Pills and Potions has....but in one week. Then I check the Anaconda video and it has ALREADY gotten to 45 million views in about two days. Kinda sad, really. No one cared when she released Pills and no one cared when she released Anaconda, but as soon as she brought back her butt for the video, she's right back to the top. I wonder if she has anything else to offer. :koons: It's sad that a song as great at Pills N Potions failed and this is the result of that. This isn't even an original song... Just when I was thinking I might be getting into Minaj.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylanica 15 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antichrist 9,818 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 What this proves is that music industry is in some big deep ****, and add the fact that people are stanning for this, liking this 'song', says enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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