US Charts Discussion

[Mariano 958]

Yes because the GP knows how many number 1s Elvis, MJ and Madonna have..   Guys you are crazy   These people are big because of all, but their number 1s   Bad Romance is more Iconic than any Katy number 1.  The GP could care less (and they don't, that's why they have no Idea what songs were number 1s and what songs were not)..

Aside from worldwide sales, I'd say YouTube views would be the closest one to indicate which song is seen bigger beyond the pop forums. 

PitBull hits for example are really huge hits in Latin America and Europe ...   Rain Over Me is so huge and has 456M views, yet no one knows the song in the USA and this is bad, but not as much as yall are making it to be, because these people from Europe and Latin America are still people and they still buy music, still remember artists etc..   While no one knows  "Need you now" outside the USA and this is way worse.

[Mills 446]

Yes because the GP knows how many number 1s Elvis, MJ and Madonna have..   Guys you are crazy   These people are big because of all, but their number 1s   Bad Romance is more Iconic than any Katy number 1.  The GP could care less (and they don't, that's why they have no Idea what songs were number 1s and what songs were not)..

These acts were big largely because they're commercially successful. And if there's anything that'd reflect that, then that would be topping the charts, wouldn't it? Bad Romance is seen as a success because that song topped more than 15 countries worldwide. Would it get the same treatment if it didn't? I actually don't mind singles peaking at #2, but peaking outside the top 10, or let alone top 5, isn't something for me to be flattered about. 

[VforVendetta 2,024]

Yes because the GP knows how many number 1s Elvis, MJ and Madonna have.. Guys you are crazy These people are big because of all, but their number 1s Bad Romance is more Iconic than any Katy number 1. The GP could care less (and they don't, that's why they have no Idea what songs were number 1s and what songs were not)..

PitBull hits for example are really huge hits in Latin America and Europe ... Rain Over Me is so huge and has 456M views, yet no one knows the song in the USA and this is bad, but not as much as yall are making it to be, because these people from Europe and Latin America are still people and they still buy music, still remember artists etc.. While no one knows "Need you now" outside the USA and this is way worse.

Actually I think that tje best thing is to be Gaga. Have success inside and outside the US, even if its moderate sometimes.

[Luc 4,775]

Yes because the GP knows how many number 1s Elvis, MJ and Madonna have..   Guys you are crazy   These people are big because of all, but their number 1s   Bad Romance is more Iconic than any Katy number 1.  The GP could care less (and they don't, that's why they have no Idea what songs were number 1s and what songs were not)..

PitBull hits for example are really huge hits in Latin America and Europe ...   Rain Over Me is so huge and has 456M views, yet no one knows the song in the USA and this is bad, but not as much as yall are making it to be, because these people from Europe and Latin America are still people and they still buy music, still remember artists etc..   While no one knows  "Need you now" outside the USA and this is way worse.

You don't get what I mean. We're talking about media. Media cares only about US sales. You never see somewhere that ARTPOP opened with 550k WW compared to 1,9m WW for BTW. You see that ARTPOP opened with 259k, compared to 269k for Bangerz and 290k for PRISM and that BTW opened with 1,1M thanks to an amazon deal.

[VforVendetta 2,024]

These acts were big largely because they're commercially successful. And if there's anything that'd reflect that, then that would be topping the charts, wouldn't it? Bad Romance is seen as a success because that song topped more than 15 countries worldwide. Would it get the same treatment if it didn't? I actually don't mind singles peaking at #2, but peaking outside the top 10, or let alone top 5, isn't something for me to be flattered about.

The GP thinks that WHYB is a smash, the song has sold poorly so it isn't a smash? I think it is. This is why I always said that Judas is a hit. Because the GP thinks that it was a hit, so that makes it one...

[Bye 3,947]

I have to agree with Mariano. There's more to being big than #1s and hits. Media attention, becoming almost a brand, a household name that even the elderly know, and yes having hits as well, those things make someone like Gaga bigger than acts like Katy.

[Gypsy Life 118,907]

POP:

7 9 LADY GAGA Do What U Want f/R. Kelly 9474 9962 -488 51.160
-151 Spins
-182 Bullet
-1.554 Audience

 

RHYTHMIC:

11 8 LADY GAGA Do What U Want f/R. Kelly 3016 2928 88 15.506
+1 Spin
-37 Bullet
-0.078 Audience

 

HOT AC:

25 23 LADY GAGA Do What U Want f/R. Kelly 1223 1087 136 6.245
+23 Spins
+8 Bullet
-0.062 Audience

[VforVendetta 2,024]

I have to agree with Mariano. There's more to being big than #1s and hits. Media attention, becoming almost a brand, a household name that even the elderly know, and yes having hits as well, those things make someone like Gaga bigger than acts like Katy.

This.

[Bye 3,947]

The GP thinks that WHYB is a smash, the song has sold poorly so it isn't a smash? I think it is. This is Wjy I always said that Judas is a hit. Because the GP thinks that it was a hit, so that makes it one...

This is exactly what we were saying yesterday about MTN. In many places MTN is more known than DWUW, sales and charts don't really matter in such cases...

[VforVendetta 2,024]

I agree and dissagree.

Katy has been topping the charts since 2010. (I've always thought that they will just build her Image, that she will continue with the number 1s until one moment they will be too much to not notice her as a huge brand/name) She never overshadowed Gaga.. until 2013 and yet, who is the bigger brand ? Gaga.

And Interscope are rarely paying attention to chart numbers also... If Gaga's song is number 2 on hot 100, they'll hardly make any attempt to push the song to number 1, while Katy's team on the other hand they will kill someone just so her song can get atop the charts.. Labels are not supposed to do that. People are supposed to send a song atop the charts, not labels... Gaga's 3 number 1s and 1 number 2 >>>>>>>>>Katy's career

And this!

[Mills 446]

I have to agree with Mariano. There's more to being big than #1s and hits. Media attention, becoming almost a brand, a household name that even the elderly know, and yes having hits as well, those things make someone like Gaga bigger than acts like Katy.

The massive commercial success made Gaga what she's right now, and that includes getting #1 hits left and right. She may not be topping the charts anymore, but her brand is still considered strong. I've to agree on that... but solely because she has managed to accumulate huge record sales when she debuted. If an artist continues to struggle connecting with what's hot at the moment, sooner or later it'd be more challenging to solely rely on the artist's past achievements. Same goes with KP. The more consistent she achieves commercial success, the bigger and stronger her brand would be in the long run. 

[Foivos 64]

POP:

7 9 LADY GAGA Do What U Want f/R. Kelly 9474 9962 -488 51.160

-151 Spins

-182 Bullet

-1.554 Audience

 

RHYTHMIC:

11 8 LADY GAGA Do What U Want f/R. Kelly 3016 2928 88 15.506

+1 Spin

-37 Bullet

-0.078 Audience

 

HOT AC:

25 23 LADY GAGA Do What U Want f/R. Kelly 1223 1087 136 6.245

+23 Spins

+8 Bullet

-0.062 Audience

Give dem spins to Gypsy

[Mills 446]

The GP thinks that WHYB is a smash, the song has sold poorly so it isn't a smash? I think it is. This is why I always said that Judas is a hit. Because the GP thinks that it was a hit, so that makes it one...

WHYB peaked within the top 6 of the UK, Canada, France, AUS, and the HOT 100 charts. These are all major music markets. And this is an example of how chart peaks are truly deceiving. Personally, chart peaks are far memorable to me than actual sales. This is the same argument I'd say regarding ARTPOP. It's a #1 album at the end of the day and no one can refute that, regardless of how much it actually sold. 

[Pure Adrenaline 1,518]

Gaga's team focuses on earning money, while Capitol and such look for success which is better long-term tbh.

 

Gaga's team would never do something if they didn't earn money with it (except for useless stuff like ArtRave tbh)

Katy's team, for example, focuses on getting success. I thnk that this is better, because showing more success in charts shows that you are a bigger brand and makes media suck your dick, while low charts success makes media hate you. This is better long-term imo, because bad media damages your brand, which makes your profit in the future less and less.

ughm I think u are wrong in way .... sometimes success is not everything u know and just to point something the ARTRave was sponsored by Gaga herself, Interscope never fund that.

 

U see Capitol invested so much in Pirsm's promotion it was the most promoted album and brand of the year and of course it gave back to them because by far Prism is Katy's biggest success BUT let's look the things this way with the promotion as big as Prism's campaing the numbers (for Katy maybe be really really good) coming, from such monstreous promo schedule and money put in it, are not that amazing. See album having so much invested in should at least have performed closer to BTW's numbers because back in 2011 Interscope put such big investment in BTW and now the album is above 7M WW which is really amazing. And Katy right now is in similar position as Gaga back in 2011 - at her peak the most overexposed artist of the yet etc. so the situation is comparable. 

 

Now let's look at ARTPOP with promotion 545612315316551x less than Prism's it opened with close numbers to Prism which is really saying something here more on Katy was always loved by the GP where Lady Gaga had first ot recover her image from the last few years. And even Prism is out selling ARTPOP in the US it's not by that far + Prism has 2 smash hits 3 videos etc. where ARTPOP has one decent hit and on underperforming single with video yet to come

 

So yeah the success is important but it's not always to greatest goal see Katy maybe the on the top right now where Gaga hasn't had #1 single for the last 3 years yet her tour is selling really well and I'm sure it will outsell Katy's tour .... we'll see.

 

Interscope right now is not promoting Gaga as radio artist or single artist like Katy is since the start of her career they are promoting Gaga as live artist where are coming the real money from because we all know that tour is the most prifitable market and if we see it that way Gaga made more money from 3 nights in Hong Kong than her bigeest hit ever ;)

[Mills 446]

This is exactly what we were saying yesterday about MTN. In many places MTN is more known than DWUW, sales and charts don't really matter in such cases...

How so? Don't sales and charts reflect a song's popularity in the most efficient way, one way or another? MTN failed to enter the top 10 of any major music market while DWUW did. It even entered the top 3 in Canada.