Nagini 179 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 That's true, everyone can have an opinion, but for the same reason that you just mentioned, those who don't like the cover have to respect that this person liked it. Some people are trying to discredit the reviewer and make it seem like he doesn't know what he's talking about at all, when his credentials say otherwise. It's not a matter of whose opinion is more valid. This person is not a random guy they picked from the street to review something. agreed. it has to be both ways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber Hunk 45 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I can't with all the "I'm so happy" replies. His a--lysis doesn't make sense. Did you even read it? Seriously you sound pressed as all hell. What's your actual problem lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear 7,515 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I love the cover and i like that she worked with Koons. and in respect to this mans ability to a--lyse; he was going to write a review, either good or bad, because it is his job. I'd rather him make positive headlines based on a misguided judgement, rather than negative ones using the same logic and credentials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber Hunk 45 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I love that Gaga is choosing to work with Jeff Koons. They have the exact same reputations in their respective communities. FAKE. FRAUD. REDUCTIVE. BRAINLESS. It's perfect! Koons is known for being looked down on in the art community. So is Gaga. She's the Koons, the Koons is her. Perfection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo 1,958 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 It truly is a work of art. So glad Koons agreed to collaborate with Gaga. They've created something beautiful and timeless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavyMetalGAGA 65 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Just LOOK at the comparisons he's making. Google them and you will know that they don't make sense. You don't need an art degree to check the claims of someone else. They actually DO make sense. I've learned about art history before and he's spot on. She has the colored part of the cover & the B&W just like Warhol, Koons depicted Gaga differently than Venus just like the painter in Olympia, and the Emin one could be a reference because she's covering her cooch or because: "Racey Emin is almost always portrayed as a Diana-esque femme tragique. It’s rare to get a glimpse of the happy, successful, confident person she’s become. I’ve Got It All is a transient crowning glory: a shameless, two-fingers up to her critics. Emin’s triumphed over all, and has money up the whazoo to boot! Applause and this album cover seem like a two-fingers up to her critics to me, but I understand if you interpret it differently. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean you're automatically right and this review is trash. Alright, so you don't like it...MOVE ON. You're literally trying to spit negative energy at every member here who likes it. It's saddening, really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Heaven 40 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I love the cover and i like that she worked with Koons. and in respect to this mans ability to a--lyse; he was going to write a review, either good or bad, because it is his job. I'd rather him make positive headlines based on a misguided judgement, rather than negative ones using the same logic and credentials. This. I really love the cover! And I don't necessarily like this review but I think the good publicity is ok. I missed that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
melodichard 3,757 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 They actually DO make sense. I've learned about art history before and he's spot on. She has the colored part of the cover & the B&W just like Warhol, Koons depicted Gaga differently than Venus just like the painter in Olympia, and the Emin one could be a reference because she's covering her cooch or because: "Racey Emin is almost always portrayed as a Diana-esque femme tragique. It’s rare to get a glimpse of the happy, successful, confident person she’s become. I’ve Got It All is a transient crowning glory: a shameless, two-fingers up to her critics. Emin’s triumphed over all, and has money up the whazoo to boot! Applause and this album cover seem like a two-fingers up to her critics to me, but I understand if you interpret it differently. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean you're automatically right and this review is trash. Alright, so you don't like it...MOVE ON. You're literally trying to spit negative energy at every member here who likes it. It's saddening, really Exactly... some people just don't know when to stop. We get it, you don't like the cover, now go do something more productive with your time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Monster 0 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 It's a shame that it took a collaboration with Jeff Koons for Gaga to be taken seriously in this medium though. The Born This Way album cover was no less conceptually strong than this one despite the aesthetic and it saddens me a little that she has become art now that he has designed the cover. I wonder if many critics would take a different stance had she made the cover herself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,064 Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Gaga retweeted the article I'm so happy she read it @willowmonger @ladygaga GREAT a--lysis of the #ARTPOP cover art by #Koons http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/why-lady-gagas-album-cover-is-actually-a-world-class-work-of-art Retwitted by Lady Gaga https://twitter.com/willowmonger/status/387636077374496768 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,064 Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 I updated the OP with reference pictures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryTheNight 35 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Flawless review tbh. I cant at some people still hating on the cover, if you aesthetically do not like the look of it, fair enough, everyone has different tastes, but you cant deny that it does exactly what Gaga is trying to do with this album era, put Art into Pop, and this article shows how she and Koons did it, its perfect for the album content. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raikov 183 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 So to sum it all up. Those who like the cover are bbys or whatever, those who don't like it need to go and stan 4 katy. This fansite is horrible. This. And I like the cover! So just because someone has an art degree, he's to be trusted in everything he says? If we all need an art degree to understand Gaga's career, then why doesn't Gaga have one? Excellent point. I like the cover but I can't at all you saying that because he has a degree we need to agree with what he says... especially since he doesn't have a degree. The appointment reportedly ruffled a few feathers, although Gompertz thinks it was more about his lack of journalistic experience than the fact he didn’t go to university (a degree was one of the job specifications). Whether you agree with his a--lysis or not is one thing (and reading the article I linked to, he seems like a swell guy who's very interested in bringing modern art to the "common" folk), but bandying his credentials around to avoid a--lysis of his argument so you can say "SLAY GAGZ QUEEN" is rather intellectually dishonest and insulting to Gompertz, Koons, and Gaga. I don't think any of these people would want to be taken uncritically in exchange for praise, especially Gaga. Don't be afraid of challenge! And no, I am not a "hater" because I actually kinda dig this cover . The statue and ball are on point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliviaRodrigoStan 4,414 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well, it was very clear to me that it was a first-class piece of art, since I first saw it, I never needed an "expert" opinion to confirm it. Actually, I think that anyone with the slightest education regarding visual art, could easily perceive the artistic value of the image, whether they like it or not. I mean: if you've ever been into a museum, if you've ever attended an art exhibition, if you've studied art history... it is not hard to recognize the "ARTPOP" cover as a true piece of art. You know, it doesn't differ from what you find in museums. I'm not even talking about the quality of the work, but merely about it being an obvious piece of art. It's a Pop Art collage, and it is certainly art, it surprises me that there are some people doubting it. Also, it seems to be a common misinterpretation of the phrase "art is subjective". Art is, in fact, subjective, which doesn't mean "everything is art" at all. Art is subjective in the way that, the same piece can generate several different interpretations depending on the viewer, all of them being valid. That, of course, does not implies that a piece of art can be claimed not to be so (or viceversa). If there's an artist behind it, it is art. If there's not an artist behind it, it is not art. And even though it sounds bad, an art critic's opinion is, usually (and logically) more valid and will have a different weight than that of a forum member. It sounds harsh and elitist, but it is just common sense: doctors and medicine students will know more about medicine than most people, and their opinions will be sustained by their knowledge on the matter, rather than their mere abstract impressions. In the same way, artists, and art erudites will obviously have "better" opinions regarding art, than pop music fans on a forum, is just a logical thing. That of course doesn't mean that you can't give your opinion, we all can, and every single view (if presented respectfully) should be respected, but "experts" opinions will hold a different weight, it should hurt no one to deal with that. Now, regarding the critic's review in question, I think it's a good one. His a--lysis might look simple, because the piece itself sends a sort of simple message. Some people don't seem to understand that art is not only about feelings, emotions and sensations, it is also about ideas, and concepts. Pop Art, particularly, is generally perceived as "cold" (and sometimes: not art at all) because it's not that much about feelings, but more about ideas, and concepts. Just because the image doesn't portrays "love" or "desperations" (aka: feelings and sensations) doesn't mean it's not art. This critic's review is kinda simple, because the intentions of the piece are simple. At first, ART overtook POP (Pop Art, Warhol). Now Pop overtakes ART (Art Pop, Lady Gaga). Just because it's simple, it doesn't means it's meaningless, there's a very clear concept behind the piece, and it is well executed. Also: it would be nice, now that Gaga is finally receiving recognition for her work, not to have arguments over people LIKING her work. Let's respect each others opinions and have some peace already. HEART OF EVER-FROST Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,064 Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 This. And I like the cover! Excellent point. I like the cover but I can't at all you saying that because he has a degree we need to agree with what he says... especially since he doesn't have a degree. Whether you agree with his a--lysis or not is one thing (and reading the article I linked to, he seems like a swell guy who's very interested in bringing modern art to the "common" folk), but bandying his credentials around to avoid a--lysis of his argument so you can say "SLAY GAGZ QUEEN" is rather intellectually dishonest and insulting to Gompertz, Koons, and Gaga. I don't think any of these people would want to be taken uncritically in exchange for praise, especially Gaga. Don't be afraid of challenge! And no, I am not a "hater" because I actually kinda dig this cover . The statue and ball are on point. Agree but If you read the entire thread you will see the user Didymus caused the meltdown because he was so rude and he was trying to discredit the Author and make it seem like he doesn't know what he's talking about at all and he tried to impose his viewpoint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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