Gaga's egocentrism is turning me off and making her "flop"

[HausOfGuy 10]

i kinda agree with you but we need to respect gagas choice. if theres one thing gaga believes in, is freedom. and we don't have the right to say her team is mediocre because we would be saying her choices are mediocre and if you think that shes been sucking since TFM, i dont see a reason for you to be a stan

[Delete 258]

I agree with you to an extent. I think she needs to seek professional assistance in an attempt to bring her brilliant ideas to life. Someone with more experience could help guide her and make her work translate better to a wider audience.

If there aren't people who tell her no, and suggest new ways to do something, she COULD develop and egocentric attitude.

[Nissa 51]

There are many "fans" who, through their inability or lack of interest in trying to comprehend what Gaga is doing with her vision at any given time, turn to belittling her and her intelligence in a constant stream of self-importance and wrapped in an attitude of knowing much better than her what actions she should take as to her own career and art, because, so they like to think, Gaga is not to be "trusted" with either.

 

If Gaga would follow a 1/1000th of what some of these fans continually and childishly demand she does, there would be one of two scenarios taking place (or a mixture of both). She would become the generic entertainer - as opposed to visionary artist - who pleases the lowest common denominator and has fleeting "success" but will never be remembered in the future, especially not as the icon who changed the industry she undoubtedly is. The irony of which is that this is exactly the type of person most of these fans look down on. Or she would just fail because almost 100% of the time these "fans" have no idea what constitutes a good career move - let alone know better than the person who became bigger worldwide before the age of 30 than any star has ever achieved. More importantly, she would not be doing what she wants and execute her own artistic vision - if that is something, as a fan of her, that you wish upon her then I don't know what to think anymore.

 

Having your opinion on her work is fine by me (inb4 "we don't have to be mindless sheep who praise everything she does!!11!"), it would be boring otherwise. But once you cross that line from talking about her output to talking about her in a disparaging and condescending way (and, most of the time, aiming at her intelligence and character in the process) you can't expect people to just nod their heads and not defend her. I'd go even further and say that if you're one of those people who cross that line, you don't deserve her in the very least.

Edited October 3, 2013 by Nissa

[SummerGirl21 787]

I bet you LOVE the 'Eh, Eh' video.

 

I just said I'm not looking for cute...

[Vernier 3,786]

Can't you see that that adds up to my argument? She's so full of herself that she doesn't even want people to tell her no.

It doesn't really because that was one example compared to a host of others who have said she takes on advice and criticisms very well But again, you refuse to answer my question, what's your "yes man" hypothesis based on? Because you obviously have no idea how anything works with her. And what if the Joseph Khan idea(Brooklyn bridge, mermaids etc) had actually turned out to be not so good? Then I guess he'd be a "yes man" too :roll:

[teo 609]

There are many "fans" who, through their inability or lack of interest in trying to comprehend what Gaga is doing with her vision at any given time, turn to belittling her and her intelligence in a constant stream of self-importance and wrapped in an attitude of knowing much better than her what actions she should take as to her own career and art, because, so they like to think, Gaga is not to be "trusted" with either.

 

If Gaga would follow a 1/1000th of what some of these fans continually and childishly demand she does, there would be one of two scenarios taking place (or a mixture of both). She would become the generic entertainer - as opposed to visionary artist - who pleases the lowest common denominator and has fleeting "success" but will never be remembered in the future, especially not as the icon who changed the industry she undoubtedly is. The irony of which is that this is exactly the type of person most of these fans look down on. Or she would just fail because almost 100% of the time these "fans" have no idea what constitutes a good career move - let alone know better than the person who became bigger worldwide before the age of 30 than any star has ever achieved. More importantly, she would not be doing what she wants and execute her own artistic vision - if that is something, as a fan of her, that you wish upon her then I don't know what to think anymore.

 

Having your opinion on her work is fine by me (inb4 "we don't have to be mindless sheep who praise everything she does!!11!"), it would be boring otherwise. But once you cross that line from talking about her output to talking about her in a disparaging and condescending way (and, most of the time, aiming at her intelligence and character in the process) you can't expect people to just nod their heads and not defend her. I'd go even further and say that if you're one of those people who cross that line, you don't deserve her in the very least.

:clap: This so much. 

[Shadow 6,632]

Can we keep it chill in here? If this keeps up, guess what will happen to this thread.

[Seeka 12,372]

"I feel like she's so full of herself and she thinks everything she does is gold and perfect,"

 

Bitch RUN.

[Shadow 6,632]

No, please, close it. Or I'll receive more WP. Appearently a thread with many pages is a flamebaiting thread. Close it please.

Oh, so you don't mind getting insulted then? Stirring up users? Carry on then. :classy:

[Ziva 193]

There are many "fans" who, through their inability or lack of interest in trying to comprehend what Gaga is doing with her vision at any given time, turn to belittling her and her intelligence in a constant stream of self-importance and wrapped in an attitude of knowing much better than her what actions she should take as to her own career and art, because, so they like to think, Gaga is not to be "trusted" with either.

 

If Gaga would follow a 1/1000th of what some of these fans continually and childishly demand she does, there would be one of two scenarios taking place (or a mixture of both). She would become the generic entertainer - as opposed to visionary artist - who pleases the lowest common denominator and has fleeting "success" but will never be remembered in the future, especially not as the icon who changed the industry she undoubtedly is. The irony of which is that this is exactly the type of person most of these fans look down on. Or she would just fail because almost 100% of the time these "fans" have no idea what constitutes a good career move - let alone know better than the person who became bigger worldwide before the age of 30 than any star has ever achieved. More importantly, she would not be doing what she wants and execute her own artistic vision - if that is something, as a fan of her, that you wish upon her then I don't know what to think anymore.

 

Having your opinion on her work is fine by me (inb4 "we don't have to be mindless sheep who praise everything she does!!11!"), it would be boring otherwise. But once you cross that line from talking about her output to talking about her in a disparaging and condescending way (and, most of the time, aiming at her intelligence and character in the process) you can't expect people to just nod their heads and not defend her. I'd go even further and say that if you're one of those people who cross that line, you don't deserve her in the very least.

 

[rivingtonrebels 245]

I dislike sweeping statements that fail to take into context important things like...oh, gee I don't know, maybe the fact that Gaga's artistry and "ecocentriccism" are the reason that she skyrocketed to superstardom in the first place?

[Redstreak 6,653]

There are many "fans" who, through their inability or lack of interest in trying to comprehend what Gaga is doing with her vision at any given time, turn to belittling her and her intelligence in a constant stream of self-importance and wrapped in an attitude of knowing much better than her what actions she should take as to her own career and art, because, so they like to think, Gaga is not to be "trusted" with either.

 

If Gaga would follow a 1/1000th of what some of these fans continually and childishly demand she does, there would be one of two scenarios taking place (or a mixture of both). She would become the generic entertainer - as opposed to visionary artist - who pleases the lowest common denominator and has fleeting "success" but will never be remembered in the future, especially not as the icon who changed the industry she undoubtedly is. The irony of which is that this is exactly the type of person most of these fans look down on. Or she would just fail because almost 100% of the time these "fans" have no idea what constitutes a good career move - let alone know better than the person who became bigger worldwide before the age of 30 than any star has ever achieved. More importantly, she would not be doing what she wants and execute her own artistic vision - if that is something, as a fan of her, that you wish upon her then I don't know what to think anymore.

 

Having your opinion on her work is fine by me (inb4 "we don't have to be mindless sheep who praise everything she does!!11!"), it would be boring otherwise. But once you cross that line from talking about her output to talking about her in a disparaging and condescending way (and, most of the time, aiming at her intelligence and character in the process) you can't expect people to just nod their heads and not defend her. I'd go even further and say that if you're one of those people who cross that line, you don't deserve her in the very least.

Love it.

[LStephens11 15]

That was the silliest thing I have ever read in my life. Gaga chooses to do with her career what she chooses to do because she is an artist and she wants to make herself happy as well. If she wants to have her friends direct her videos and wants to write songs about cheering her on (which is relatable, btw) then let her. I'm entertained and I enjoy her art & her performance pieces. Let her be. It's her career, not ours.

[Zach Monster 0]

But she's not flopping and music doesn't have to be relatable to be good. She's not exactly Jesus. Don't expect everything she does to be absolutely perfect.

Edited October 3, 2013 by Haus0fZach

[LStephens11 15]

There are many "fans" who, through their inability or lack of interest in trying to comprehend what Gaga is doing with her vision at any given time, turn to belittling her and her intelligence in a constant stream of self-importance and wrapped in an attitude of knowing much better than her what actions she should take as to her own career and art, because, so they like to think, Gaga is not to be "trusted" with either.

 

If Gaga would follow a 1/1000th of what some of these fans continually and childishly demand she does, there would be one of two scenarios taking place (or a mixture of both). She would become the generic entertainer - as opposed to visionary artist - who pleases the lowest common denominator and has fleeting "success" but will never be remembered in the future, especially not as the icon who changed the industry she undoubtedly is. The irony of which is that this is exactly the type of person most of these fans look down on. Or she would just fail because almost 100% of the time these "fans" have no idea what constitutes a good career move - let alone know better than the person who became bigger worldwide before the age of 30 than any star has ever achieved. More importantly, she would not be doing what she wants and execute her own artistic vision - if that is something, as a fan of her, that you wish upon her then I don't know what to think anymore.

 

Having your opinion on her work is fine by me (inb4 "we don't have to be mindless sheep who praise everything she does!!11!"), it would be boring otherwise. But once you cross that line from talking about her output to talking about her in a disparaging and condescending way (and, most of the time, aiming at her intelligence and character in the process) you can't expect people to just nod their heads and not defend her. I'd go even further and say that if you're one of those people who cross that line, you don't deserve her in the very least.

SPILL THAT HOT