SayCart 8 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 People saying she won't be around if GP rejects her She WOULD be around, just not AS BIG AS SHE USED TO BE. And that is perfectly okay. Jesus, I swear I don't have any tolerance left for this whole drama anymore. Everyone who thinks Gaga is over and a flop can kindly leave and let us reasonable fans enjoy the ride. THIS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 There is also a very fine line between an OPINION and a FACT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefani328 321 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 There is a very fine line between criticism and bashing. Fans criticize not overly bash, because if someone bothers me so much, I'm not going to be a fan. Just that simple. If I'm not pleased by their attributions, why stick with them :eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronyoji 2,054 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 This thread would have made more sense in a place like ATRL, not here where a bunch of delusional stans get butt hurt over any negative opinion or constructive criticism. I somewhat agree with you, it seems as if she's ignoring everything around her and focusing on what she thinks is what people want, and not realizing people are begging for the complete opposite. I do like what shes doing, I just wish she went about it a different way and marketed it better. thats the fuking thing tho, people werent begging for the opposite, quite frankly shes done all fans want her to do now/ applause isnt controversial, the video isnt long at all, shes working with professional directors, and yes, inez and vinoodh are professional for the 1000th time, she made a lyric video for extra views, even though shes never been interested in making one, shes been stripping down her aesthetic, shes seen as prettier by others, which, shouldnt even be our concern, but somehow we need to please straight guys' labito in order to feel good about ourselves, and shes been making fun, light songs that have nothing to do with the ARTPOP philosophy, aside from like, 3 songs. quite frankly, shes doing everything fans where shouting at her months ago, but now everyone is telling her its too safe, its not what we want, shes not number 1 so therefore shes failing, i mean enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doveve 526 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think all of you are not happy about applause and it's video just because the song is not number one on itunes, billboard 100 and the video does not have like 200 million views. If applause would be a smash, you all would be praising gaga and applause to heavens! numbers dictate your opinion about gaga and her songs. sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swine 504 Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Ridiculous... Enough is enough... Classy indeed. Especially coming from a mod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSUNAMI 21,012 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Is someone with this much of money and this much of social power is not full of himself then forget about it. GaGa is here for the fame and she has "ego". And you can't say that she has an ego because we all do have it. Someone has it bigger someone has it smaller. GaGa MADE Haus of GaGa to be working for her and it's natural she relies on Haus. She pays them and she pays for the whole production. And somebody has to have an ego to run all that but she has smaller ego than Azealia, Madonna, Lana Del Rey etc. So stay pressed or just accept that because there is no artist without ego. Or are you here for ordinary pop show? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimus 298 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Yes the typical reply of the brainless that's gaining traction on GGD lately. "You don'tagree with my useless criticism", " it must be because you're delusional and likes everything she does" :roll: Please, your posts arenkt even intelligent enough to be labeled "critisism", just a whole bunch of b---hing. whatever makes you sleep better at night...........i guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lips de Jolie 0 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 However, I must admit that it's become harder to predict a hit song nowadays. I would have never guessed that "Royals" by Lorde would be dominating the charts like this right now. But at least she could be smart and not have someone like DJWS be the main producer on her album. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub 1 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think too, that she work to much with friends - directors, producers, haus of gaga - i mean it's cool, honest and she tries to be artistry - but it's to chaotic and not clever translated and so it can't be memorable. There is no unique gadget, it's just too much and without irony and without the gaga-feeling like in 2009. Applause for example has a beautiful melody, but the production is so chaotic, it pains in the ears, the video is to chaotic too, the vma performance was a mess too. It must be more humorous and cleverer - not so overloaded with 100 things in every section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKorix 156 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) I just had a few points to add. I love pop music and I love it that a song can universally connect and be enjoyed by everybody. The people who pretty much invented the current pop music model consistently released songs that were enjoyable to people, they rarely had misses or flops. I judge pop music by how it makes me feel; does it excite me? Make me want to dance? Move me? Make me cry? How does it express that particular feeling and how strong is the connection I and other people have to it? That's why 21 ruled for a year. Artists like MJ, Queen, ABBA and Madonna had the ability to critique and self-edit their own work. They could view it with fresh eyes as if it wasn't them who created it. They could examine it from different perspectives other than their own; through the eyes and ears of the regular radio listener, passionate fan, pop music aficionado, young, old, etc. and edit in a way so no one can be left out of the enjoyment. That's why they were trusted to do whatever they want because they didn't really need anybody else to make quality music, hell they knew better than the people they were working for. The fact is though what they did is also considered art. It's personal, emotional, and expresses a feeling or idea of their own. You can make music that connects to people while it still being art. Forget the sales and charts it's more about how many people you can entertain and make happy with your music. With that in mind I have been dissatisfied with Gaga since The Fame Monster. It's not like I was a fair-weather fan either. I heard her radio songs and thought "Wow she actually sings, not the lazy sing-speech which was pretty much every other song on the radio at the time". I watched Paparazzi VMA, Bad Romance on Jay Leno and instantly bought tickets to The Monster Ball and followed her daily ever since. Those two performances were ground-breaking and inspired me for a long time, hell half my youtube channel is Gaga related projects. I thought there was something really special going on and that she could resurrect the fun and hype of the pop masters. The music was energetic and expressive/emotional and easy to connect too. I thought she had the ability to self-edit her work and create it in a way that it communicates her feeling and ideas clearly while also being able to be universally enjoyed. She hasn't done that for a long time though. Over half of the tracks on Born This Way left me numb, very few made me feel anything strongly. I don't know if she's just over-worked or suffering from anxiety but she hasn't been focused or clear the past few years. The things she say don't make sense or contradict other things she says. The music and videos don't seem to communicate or express any singular idea or feeling. This is excluding Marry The Night song and video, Applause Video and the Itunes festival which were excellent. Aside from those projects I haven't been inspired by her or deeply moved in a long time. It's not about sales or dumbing yourself down it's about creating work that communicates your feelings or ideas so clearly and strongly anybody can understand and enjoy. I think if you put the importance of your own ideas and self-expression over the enjoyment and connection of the audience you shouldn't be doing pop music. I hope her work improves and that she regains her focus and is able to communicate herself better. I really liked the Itunes fest so I hope it's a preview of things to come. Basically I fell in love with Gaga because she moved me deeply with her music and performances but there was a while there where she wasn't doing that at all. I think it's important to remember if you are an artist, entertainer, etc. your calling is to move people, make them feel strongly, make them happy, make them think, etc. It's not about you but you using your gifts to help and lift others(in one way she never forgot to do it with her fan hangouts). Edited October 3, 2013 by xKorix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celina 118 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 However, I must admit that it's become harder to predict a hit song nowadays. I would have never guessed that "Royals" by Lorde would be dominating the charts like this right now. But at least she could be smart and not have someone like DJWS be the main producer on her album. Have you ever thought that maybe she wants DJWS on the album because she likes what they produce together? Or that, maybe, just maybe... Her sole purpose as an artist isn't to be a hit machine? Just a crazy thought... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefani328 321 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I just had a few points to add. I love pop music and I love it that a song can universally connect and be enjoyed by everybody. The people who pretty much invented the current pop music model consistently released songs that were enjoyable to people, they rarely had misses or flops. I judge pop music by how it makes me feel; does it excite me? Make me want to dance? Move me? Make me cry? How does it express that particular feeling and how strong is the connection I and other people have to it? That's why 21 ruled for a year. Artists like MJ, Queen, ABBA and Madonna had the ability to critique and self-edit their own work. They could view it with fresh eyes as if it wasn't them who created it. They could examine it from different perspectives other than their own; through the eyes and ears of the regular radio listener, passionate fan, pop music aficionado, young, old, etc. and edit in a way so no one can be left out of the enjoyment. That's why they were trusted to do whatever they want because they didn't really need anybody else to make quality music, hell they knew better than the people they were working for. The fact is though what they did is also considered art. It's personal, emotional, and expresses a feeling or idea of their own. You can make music that connects to people while it still being art. Forget the sales and charts it's more about how many people you can entertain and make happy with your music. With that in mind I have been dissatisfied with Gaga since The Fame Monster. It's not like I was a fair-weather fan either. I heard her radio songs and thought "Wow she actually sings, not the lazy sing-speech which was pretty much every other song on the radio at the time". I watched Paparazzi VMA, Bad Romance on Jay Leno and instantly bought tickets to The Monster Ball and followed her daily ever since. Those two performances were ground-breaking and inspired me for a long time, hell half my youtube channel is Gaga related projects. I thought there was something really special going on and that she could resurrect the fun and hype of the pop masters. The music was energetic and expressive/emotional and easy to connect too. I thought she had the ability to self-edit her work and create it in a way that it communicates her feeling and ideas clearly while also being able to be universally enjoyed. She hasn't done that for a long though. I don't know if she's just over-worked or suffering from anxiety but she has been messy the past few years. The things she say don't make sense or contradict other things she says. The music and videos don't seem to communicate or express any singular idea or feeling. This is excluding Marry The Night song and video and the Itunes festival which were excellent. Aside from those two I haven't been inspired by her or deeply moved in a long time. It's not about sales or dumbing yourself down it's about creating work that communicates your feelings or ideas so clearly and strongly anybody can understand and enjoy. I think if you put the importance of your own ideas and self-expression over the enjoyment and connection of the audience you shouldn't be doing pop music. People can ruin their own careers by saying FU I do what I want to the people who got them to where they are. Great post. Good points. It's criticism, not bashing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernier 3,786 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 whatever makes you sleep better at night...........i guess Oh I already do. It helps not being an overreatcing mess running to GGD always wondering why Gaga is "flopping" Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Monster 0 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) I'm still waiting for the lock. Edit: And some bans. Edited October 3, 2013 by Haus0fZach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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