Harry 26,836 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Where is ARTPOP on iTunes? #64 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Except Wake Me Up was his breakthrough WW hit. Levels was big too but didn't smash globally, so he was hardly a 'hotshot DJ'. And Aloe Blacc is not a folk singer lmao. Aloe Blacc still has a credit as a writer, just not as a featured artist. So your point about 'extracting writing credit' is rubbish too. Do you know what you're even arguing anymore? At first you were saying that Avicii ripped off folk music trying to sound fresh, and now you're getting at him for Aloe not being featured? Why are you so pressed by this song? 1. He's a hotshot DJ in Europe, even if plenty of Americans think he's a new folk singer now. 2. Surely denying credits to a singer is comparable to denying credits to a writer or falsely claiming to be co-author. 3. Yes I'm been playing on different senses of ripped off - not crediting A.B. is one point, passing off folk sounds as the latest thing in EDM because that genre had run out of ideas (in terms of beats and production) is another. I get excited by European music when it gives me something different than what common and overdone in North America. This isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Oh nvm. Wrong thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 #64 *With a discount? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanetChromatica 2,245 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 The American Music Awards have just been shown on 4Music, probably the biggest music channel in the country, let's hope this gives the album and DWUW a boost! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glitterintheair 2 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 The American Music Awards have just been shown on 4Music, probably the biggest music channel in the country, let's hope this gives the album and DWUW a boost! whaat! i wish i knew it was going to be on. i was meant to ask a few days ago as well :( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet 1,417 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 #64 slay queen slay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 1. He's a hotshot DJ in Europe, even if plenty of Americans think he's a new folk singer now. 2. Surely denying credits to a singer is comparable to denying credits to a writer or falsely claiming to be co-author. 3. Yes I'm been playing on different senses of ripped off - not crediting A.B. is one point, passing off folk sounds as the latest thing in EDM because that genre had run out of ideas is another. I get excited by European music when it gives me something different than what common and overdone in North America. This isn't it. How is he falsely claiming to be co-author? Getting a writing credit doesn't just go for the lyrics, it's the music too. Aloe only didn't get a credit for the vocal, he got credited for the lyrics. So that isn't ripping off AT ALL And seeing as this is a matter of legal formality, it's likely that it was the label that decided not to include Aloe's name in the title. Why, just because he has an influence, does that mean he's trying to pass it off as the 'latest thing'? So Gaga experimenting with hip-hop and RnB on ARTPOP and Latin sounds on Alejandro is trying to pass it off as the latest thing because she ran out of ideas? And 80s stadium rock throughout Born This Way? And not crediting the Hungarian violinist they used a sample of prominently in Alejandro is ripping off, right? Wait, no, it isn't .. because you like Gaga There's nothing wrong with stepping out of the boundaries of a genre. If anything, it should be encouraged. With a discount? People never buy albums on iTunes in the UK. Discounts for physicals are more effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang 2,262 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 How is he falsely claiming to be co-author? Getting a writing credit doesn't just go for the lyrics, it's the music too. Aloe only didn't get a credit for the vocal, he got credited for the lyrics. So that isn't ripping off AT ALL And seeing as this is a matter of legal formality, it's likely that it was the label that decided not to include Aloe's name in the title. Why, just because he has an influence, does that mean he's trying to pass it off as the 'latest thing'? So Gaga experimenting with hip-hop and RnB on ARTPOP and Latin sounds on Alejandro is trying to pass it off as the latest thing because she ran out of ideas? And 80s stadium rock throughout Born This Way? And not crediting the Hungarian violinist they used a sample of prominently in Alejandro is ripping off, right? Wait, no, it isn't .. because you like Gaga There's nothing wrong with stepping out of the boundaries of a genre. If anything, it should be encouraged. People never buy albums on iTunes in the UK. Discounts for physicals are more effective. *But it still reflects on how the album is doing. *At least its #6 in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 But it still reflects on how the album is doing. At least its #6 in the US. Not really. It was even lower than that last week before the discount but it got to #26 in the official chart. Hopefully it indicates that the album might climb a bit more again (it moved up 9 spots last week), but I guess we will find out if/when we get any info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 There's nothing wrong with stepping out of the boundaries of a genre. If anything, it should be encouraged. There are exceptions. Famous rappers who can't sing, but decide to anyway using autotune. Avicii is a bit like that. Famous as a DJ, making beats and doing electronic stuff. But his status allows into to make a song played on alternative radio in America, by getting a writersinger and putting some electronic polish on their work. Yes it does BUG me that Gaga can't win a Grammy for best dance song (that's been made a preserve of DJ types) and will never be played on Alternative radio (pop girl eww), but a guy like Avicii has a shot at both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 There are exceptions. Famous rappers who can't sing, but decide to anyway using autotune. Avicii is a bit like that. Famous as a DJ, making beats and doing electronic stuff. But his status allows into to make a song played on alternative radio in America, by getting a writersinger and putting some electronic polish on their work. Yes it does BUG me that Gaga can't win a Grammy for best dance song (that's been made a preserve of DJ types) and will never be played on Alternative radio (pop girl eww), but a guy like Avicii has a shot at both. Erm AutoTune is basically an entirely different situation. But anyway I don't necessarily always agree with that. If you have a good ear for a melody why not use AutoTune to bring it to life? Would you say a novelist that has amazing ideas but can't spell shouldn't be allowed to use spell check? As long as it's just a side-project alongside the rapping then why not Using tricks like that to get multi-format support isn't exclusive to him though. *cough* Do What U Want featuring famous urban artist R Kelly, rapper Rick Ross to get rhythmic support etc... Why are we talking about Grammys now? This was about Avicii apparently ripping off to begin with and you've just gone WAY off whenever I disprove your points. It seems like you are unable to construct and follow a simple argument Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterOfSpain 8,281 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 yep, jamming out to ARTPOP Lol... nice option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 680 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 whenever I disprove your points. It seems like you are unable to construct and follow a simple argument I answered your main points, and explained myself, in my numbered post before last. Avicii is unique in claiming sole artist credit for a primarily vocal song where he neither wrote the lyrics nor sung the sung. That's different than not crediting someone who played the violin, or did background vocals. There is also a difference between a singer experimenting with different genres vs. a knob-twittling DJ going into another genre by getting someone to write and sing a song, then adding a few beats and putting your name on it. The beats he added are pretty basic too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 26,836 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I answered your main points, and explained myself, in my numbered post before last. Avicii is unique in claiming sole artist credit for a primarily vocal song where he neither wrote the lyrics nor sung the sung. That's different than not crediting someone who played the violin, or did background vocals. There is also a difference between a singer experimenting with different genres vs. a knob-twittling DJ going into another genre by getting someone to write and sing a song, then adding a few beats and putting your name on it. The beats he added are pretty basic too. He is not unique in doing that. That's been happening in dance music for a looong time. I'm not saying it's right but you're just pinning it on him (we don't even know if it's his fault) as if he's the first one to do it. Please don't call him a "knob-twittling DJ" to demean his talent as if that's all producers do. That's highly ignorant and offensive. Only the lyrics and vocals were not done by Avicii. He wrote all of the music, including the guitar parts. So he didn't just 'add beats' to an existing song. He made it from scratch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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