gagzus 24,364 Posted Tuesday at 11:51 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:51 AM You can oppose the Israeli government’s policies, oppose Zionism, support Palestinian rights, and still inevitably interact with companies that have some form of Israeli presence or connection. Those facts aren’t mutually exclusive. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayioshka 3,458 Posted Tuesday at 11:54 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:54 AM (edited) 42 minutes ago, gagzus said: I would like to once again remind people; Zionism is the support and belief of the existence of the Israeli state and government. Working with Israeli companies does not mean you’re Zionist. Also Lightspeed is an American company with a branch in Israel (which is where this comes from), if the problem is them being in Israel god help all of you when you realise how many things you have or companies you use do the exact same thing. Fenty Beauty for instance is in Israel and has been for years but nobody brings that up. McDonald’s gives free meals to the IDF, Boeing (who makes almost every commercial airplane we use in the west) made bomber planes for the IDF, Intel who makes the chips in every Microsoft computer on earth makes all those chips in Israel, Chevron fracks in Israel, TripAdvisor and AirBnb still promote Israel and support local businesses and landlords there the list is endless. Almost every modern technology company, retail conglomerate and software engineering programming and modern industrial conglomerate has links to Israel some way or another. From the supermarkets you shop in to the place you order things from, if you have an Apple iPhone, have ordered off Amazon or have shopped at Walmart — congrats you have ties to Israel now. I have co-workers from Israel who I have worked with for over 5 years, am I a Zionist? No because I’m heavily against the counties politics and ideology. Exactly, ppl criticizing Zionism instead of the far-right simply don’t understand the subject in first place. And yeah, boycotting an Israeli firm is absurd. Doing an embargo to a whole country for the government regardless of the ideology of the brand is a nonesense. It’s like if we boycott USA's brands and culture bc Trump is sat at the White House. While we see that many brands or famous ppl oppose his politics. I also saw some degenerates saying that bc she said she love Isreal, that it necessarily mean she supports Bibi... Wtf she says she love every countries in which she toured. She went to Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Does it means she support their governments ? Heck, no! The only reason I don’t support Gaga's new project is that they use data banks of skins. That give me the ick for some reasons. I like transhumanism but even if the intentions are good here, I cannot enjoy the ethics behind the way they stock these datas. This problem is the same as using chatbots and then getting our datas used to train Ai. The privacy is in danger, in a general sense. My opinion is mixed. Edited Tuesday at 12:03 PM by Kayioshka Probably under substances... An alchemist is born ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy scheisse 23,032 Posted Tuesday at 12:11 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:11 PM 14 minutes ago, gagzus said: You can oppose the Israeli government’s policies, oppose Zionism, support Palestinian rights, and still inevitably interact with companies that have some form of Israeli presence or connection. Those facts aren’t mutually exclusive. Agreed. I ultimately am turned off by her business ventures but even I am able to call BS on the narrative that she is a Zionist for one of her several investors having an Israeli office (not even based in Israel or properly hq’d there, just an office/branch mind you). But fr I’m having to argue Gaga’s case to my friends who are jumping on the Zionist train and I’m tired 🤣🤣 hate her for being a capitalist but a hateful Zionist?…. No. And ppl have the audacity to include clips from the artrave in their ig think pieces to fuel their narrative further when the reality is Gaga used to be so animated about every country she visited… she changed the word Alejandro to Barcelona when I saw her in Spain… she expressed wanting to be accepted in Jakarta in an unreleased song,, they act like bc she enthusiastically showed excitement to her Israeli fans that she is a Zionist and it’s so annoying to see ppl get her character wrong… 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessun Dorma 10,229 Posted Tuesday at 12:15 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:15 PM On 8/22/2026 at 4:21 PM, Bronco said: As someone dug out early, Michael got his career start with the Thiel set and the main named funders for this start up are all Palantir partners I’m shocked, I’d only ever heard of Sean Parker Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante J 23 Posted Tuesday at 12:27 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:27 PM I am disappointed tbh . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 173,670 Posted Tuesday at 01:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:25 PM 1 hour ago, gagzus said: You can oppose the Israeli government’s policies, oppose Zionism, support Palestinian rights, and still inevitably interact with companies that have some form of Israeli presence or connection. Those facts aren’t mutually exclusive. I mean, with how ingrained they are in American industries, media, politics, society as a whole you can't really spit in a direction without hitting a zionist Not to justify anything, just saying. Idk, I'm still of two minds that "I know what Gaga herself believes and I've already decided stanning is unhealthy and she's just an artist to me now" and "I really wish she'd properly use her platform as one of the most well known modern global figures to at least keep the conversation going". I've just kinda decided it is what it is Whimsical bitch 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 24,364 Posted Tuesday at 01:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:37 PM 11 minutes ago, PartySick said: I mean, with how ingrained they are in American industries, media, politics, society as a whole you can't really spit in a direction without hitting a zionist Not to justify anything, just saying. Idk, I'm still of two minds that "I know what Gaga herself believes and I've already decided stanning is unhealthy and she's just an artist to me now" and "I really wish she'd properly use her platform as one of the most well known modern global figures to at least keep the conversation going". I've just kinda decided it is what it is I personally would want her to speak out against things but there’s levels to the industry and I can understand why she doesn’t. Especially since we don’t know Michael or his family’s stance on these things either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxr 2,544 Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM (edited) 37 minutes ago, gagzus said: I personally would want her to speak out against things but there’s levels to the industry and I can understand why she doesn’t. Especially since we don’t know Michael or his family’s stance on these things either. To be fair (and I know next to nothing about Michael, which is probably for the best because he seems very protective of his privacy and the publicized amplification of his persona / identity), with how cautious and protective Michael has been about his publicity since being associated with someone of Gaga‘s echelon of fame—namely, Gaga herself—it seems like if the TechCruch article expressed anything that ran counter to how he wants the tech world and potential investors (the core / target audience of the general TechCruch readership) to perceive him as CEO, he would likely request an amendment to or clarification of the article, particularly the paragraph that defines how he perceives and feels about his relationship with the Founders Fund founding four. The paragraph is quite clear and concise about the close-knit group of founders he worked with at his time there, learning about the business and sector in general, and closed with a direct quote in which he expressed said experience with said founding four was “really, really great:” Spoiler [ https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/21/michael-polansky-is-training-an-ai-model-on-skin-thats-still-alive/ ] Peter Thiel‘s notorious campaign against Valleywag and Gawker is a clear blueprint on how certain individuals manage their media figuration; again, the early business relationship feels relevant to the current OuterBio launch and optics Spoiler How the Gawker Trial Was the Gateway to Trump (via The Columbia Journalism Review) In 2007, Valleywag, Gawker’s gossip column devoted to Silicon Valley, published a short piece about a then-little-known venture capitalist and tech founder, under the headline “Peter Thiel is totally gay, people.” Thiel’s sexuality wasn’t a secret, nor was the piece mocking. “Peter Thiel, the smartest VC in the world, is gay,” it read. “More power to him.” But it was the first time this information was made public, and Thiel didn’t welcome the attention. He vowed privately to get revenge on Valleywag, which he described as “the Silicon Valley equivalent of al Qaeda,” a “Manhattan-based terrorist organization” that was apparently terrifying tech bros into conformity. It took him almost a decade for his quest to succeed. In March 2016, a lawsuit against Gawker brought by Hulk Hogan over the publication of a leaked sex tape resulted in its bankruptcy. Hogan, like everyone else, only discovered the identity of his mysterious and dedicated benefactor after the trial. The Gawker trial was a turning point, both for Thiel personally and for perceptions about the tech industry. His friends would say that, without the Gawker trial, Thiel’s early endorsement of Donald Trump that same year was unthinkable. To others, Thiel’s readiness to simply shut down an online publication that he did not like revealed, perhaps more than any other event up to that point, the authoritarian tendencies of the tech industry and how hollow its commitments to “free information” were. The outlook for digital journalism was ominous. What are the lessons from the Gawker trial, ten years later? What is its political legacy? And how can digital journalism build a safe future in the face of such severe threats? In this episode of Journalism 2050, Emily Bell is joined by three guests. Maria Bustillos is a journalist, editor, and self-described “information activist” who reported from the courtroom during the Gawker trial. Samuel Earle is the author of Tory Nation: The Dark Legacy of the World’s Most Successful Political Party and a PhD candidate at Columbia Journalism School. Marine Doux is the cofounder and editorial director of Médianes and a research fellow at the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia Journalism School. [ https://www.cjr.org/kicker/gawker-trial-gateway-trump-peter-thiel-hulk-hogan-lawsuit-silicon-valley.php ] Again, I am so new to this whole space, and I know next to nothing about Michael … but from a simple vantage of what is present in media regarding the central figures, and what has paved the pathway for this current thread’s central discourse, it just feels like relevant information to present. As always, I do genuinely appreciate your insights and due diligence ETA: Source attribution Edited Tuesday at 02:15 PM by bxr 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 24,364 Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM 3 minutes ago, bxr said: To be fair (and I know next to nothing about Michael, which is probably for the best because he seems very protective of his privacy and the publicized amplification of his persona / identity), with how cautious and protective Michael has been about his publicity since being associated with someone of Gaga‘ echelon of fame—namely, Gaga herself—it seems like if the TechCruch article expressed anything that ran counter to how he wants the tech world and potential investors (the core / target audience of the general TechCruch readership), he would likely request an amendment to or clarification of the article, particularly the paragraph that defines how he perceives and feels about his relationship with the Founders Fund founding four. The paragraph is quite clear and concise about the close-knit group of founders he worked with at his time there, learning about the business and sector in general, and closed with a direct quote in which he expressed said experience with said founding four was “really, really great:” Reveal hidden contents Peter Thiel‘s notorious campaign against Valleywag and Gawker is a clear blueprint on how certain individuals manage their media figuration; again, the early business relationship feels relevant to the current OuterBio launch and optics Reveal hidden contents How the Gawker Trial Was the Gateway to Trump (via The Columbia Journalism Review) n 2007, Valleywag, Gawker’s gossip column devoted to Silicon Valley, published a short piece about a then-little-known venture capitalist and tech founder, under the headline “Peter Thiel is totally gay, people.” Thiel’s sexuality wasn’t a secret, nor was the piece mocking. “Peter Thiel, the smartest VC in the world, is gay,” it read. “More power to him.” But it was the first time this information was made public, and Thiel didn’t welcome the attention. He vowed privately to get revenge on Valleywag, which he described as “the Silicon Valley equivalent of al Qaeda,” a “Manhattan-based terrorist organization” that was apparently terrifying tech bros into conformity. It took him almost a decade for his quest to succeed. In March 2016, a lawsuit against Gawker brought by Hulk Hogan over the publication of a leaked sex tape resulted in its bankruptcy. Hogan, like everyone else, only discovered the identity of his mysterious and dedicated benefactor after the trial. The Gawker trial was a turning point, both for Thiel personally and for perceptions about the tech industry. His friends would say that, without the Gawker trial, Thiel’s early endorsement of Donald Trump that same year was unthinkable. To others, Thiel’s readiness to simply shut down an online publication that he did not like revealed, perhaps more than any other event up to that point, the authoritarian tendencies of the tech industry and how hollow its commitments to “free information” were. The outlook for digital journalism was ominous. What are the lessons from the Gawker trial, ten years later? What is its political legacy? And how can digital journalism build a safe future in the face of such severe threats? In this episode of Journalism 2050, Emily Bell is joined by three guests. Maria Bustillos is a journalist, editor, and self-described “information activist” who reported from the courtroom during the Gawker trial. Samuel Earle is the author of Tory Nation: The Dark Legacy of the World’s Most Successful Political Party and a PhD candidate at Columbia Journalism School. Marine Doux is the cofounder and editorial director of Médianes and a research fellow at the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia Journalism School. [ https://www.cjr.org/kicker/gawker-trial-gateway-trump-peter-thiel-hulk-hogan-lawsuit-silicon-valley.php ] Again, I am so new to this whole space, and I know next to nothing about Michael … but from a simple vantage of what is present in media regarding the central figures, and what has paved the pathway for this current thread’s central discourse, it just feels like relevant information to present. As always, I do genuinely appreciate your insights and due diligence Whatever his ethical standpoint is I believe Michael is interested in his chosen field over being famous. Unlike someone of Elon Musk’s stature for instance, who wants to be rich, powerfully, successful and famous too. In fact Michael’s tech experience has greatly helped Gaga more than she’s helped him, he helped her create her own business and marketing company to have control over her own work. And alongside that, he has helped her start this B2B company too. I like nuance really, so until him or Gaga actively express any actual Zionist opinions — I’ll reserve my judgement tbh. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NibbCub 249 Posted Tuesday at 03:09 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:09 PM I guess when you're dirty dirty rich things like this happen. So disappointed TBH. https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/lady-gaga-israel-comments-6266598/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 22,702 Posted Tuesday at 03:32 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:32 PM 22 minutes ago, NibbCub said: I guess when you're dirty dirty rich things like this happen. So disappointed TBH. https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/lady-gaga-israel-comments-6266598/ 2014 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petie Estie 5,736 Posted Tuesday at 05:17 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:17 PM On 8/24/2026 at 2:35 AM, SavetheEarthNow said: None of what's discovered can be classified as "clean" or "vegan" though. Gaga has stressed how important being clean is with Haus Labs. Anything released by this Outer Bio or whatever they're calling it is produced with AI which is not a clean or vegan technology. AI is highly destructive to the environment, creates massive amounts of pollution, endangers ecosystems and the wildlife that lives in them. That's not clean or vegan. And it's certainly not cruelty free, cruelty free implies no harm to animals, because like I said AI is destroying animal habitants, that in my books is cruelty. AI they are using isn't any of those things it's one computer lol Call your therapist...it's Petie Estie 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NibbCub 249 Posted Tuesday at 05:25 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:25 PM 1 hour ago, Starmie25 said: 2014 Im aware of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petie Estie 5,736 Posted Tuesday at 05:46 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:46 PM I am disappointed by how reactionary, illiterate, and dumb everybody is why is everything always like thisssss lets just use critical thinking before we jump to conclusionsssss Call your therapist...it's Petie Estie 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50 Ft Queenie 649 Posted Tuesday at 05:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:53 PM Choosing this amazing cramps song human FLY when she’s gonna be testing on skin …… with Israeli investors paying for this. Oh yeah this is weird as hell. Free Palestine 🍉 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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