Reform UK promises to enforce unpaid labour on the unemployed

[gagzus 23,629]

 

[gagzus 23,629]

Would like to say that this is essentially exploitation because they’d be working for less than the minimum wage 

[Bronco 26,329]

The tories tried this.

It got blocked by the courts. They turned it into a volunteer scheme.

No one did it.

Reform are just saying **** to try and change the conversation away from the Standards investigation. 

[PartySick 173,175]

"Get a job or become a slave" isn't exactly the political message I would go with but hey

[Bronco 26,329]

1 minute ago, PartySick said:

"Get a job or become a slave" isn't exactly the political message I would go with but hey

Aye but their voters think that reform dont mean them. 

Same as the whole MAGA voters doing the "i hate Obamacare wait why have I lost my ACA" 

[PartySick 173,175]

Just now, Bronco said:

Aye but their voters think that reform dont mean them. 

Same as the whole MAGA voters doing the "i hate Obamacare wait why have I lost my ACA" 

Or "Trump will deport the bad ones, no worries! What do you mean my dad got shot and my mom and daughter are in a concentration camp? Oh, a knock? I wonder who could be at the door?"

[nATAH 57,409]

so basically slavery

[Celloo Deng 56,391]

Why don’t they try creating more jobs with liveable wages instead

[hamartia 3,065]

But what about their massive flat screen TVs????  /s

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[Purrrrrr 18,172]

I worry Reform will actually get voted in next

honestl..Im ready for it to just happen purely so that, like Trump, people will get a taste of what they actually voted for

but yeah it's gonna suck for us all

[gagzus 23,629]

25 minutes ago, Purrrrrr said:

I worry Reform will actually get voted in next

honestl..Im ready for it to just happen purely so that, like Trump, people will get a taste of what they actually voted for

but yeah it's gonna suck for us all

Reform will never have a majority in parliament enough for them to pass the laws they want, also the courts can override any law that is deemed a violation of the laws we have in place. This would be one of those.

Because in the UK you cannot force people to work — despite what people think yes, it is not a legal requirement to have a job in this country, you can’t force community service without them having broken laws that damage the local community such as vandalism and you also can’t make adults work for less than minimum wage unwillingly. So they would never pass these laws.

Plus Farage’s reputation is forever tarnished across the country, he would never get to lead a party. Plus the votes for the Prime Minister are held not just in England where the majority of their voters are; they would need Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to back them and currently because Reform is seen as an English centric party they’re never going to be voted in by any of them. 
 

Almost every poll that we refer to in politics in the UK is primarily based on English constituencies and not constituencies across the rest of the UK. The big “stop the immigrants” thing they use is primarily an English mentality. Reform is an English party not a British one.

Also, because of how power devolution works, they can’t make a law that changes 100% of the UK laws and rules. Each parliament in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would have a vote to follow those laws. Meaning technically the can only assure that anything they do happens in England but not the whole of the UK.

Edited 2 hours ago by gagzus

[Bronco 26,329]

9 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Reform will never have a majority in parliament enough for them to pass the laws they want, also the courts can override any law that is deemed a violation of the laws we have in place. This would be one of those.

I don't think Reform will ever have a sole majority without coalitions and at the current rate I don't think they'll be capable of winning the most seats in an election even if that is under a majority (especially if Andy goes over the top for a May 2027 election as theorised currently). 

That said. 
If they did get in. 
The laws effectively mean squat if they have a majority because parliament is sovereign. The courts can state whether or not action breaches the law, but that just means that the government simply needs to overwrite the law cited by the court. 
And again, if Reform had a majority all the court could do is slow them down. 

[gagzus 23,629]

2 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I don't think Reform will ever have a sole majority without coalitions and at the current rate I don't think they'll be capable of winning the most seats in an election even if that is under a majority (especially if Andy goes over the top for a May 2027 election as theorised currently). 

That said. 
If they did get in. 
The laws effectively mean squat if they have a majority because parliament is sovereign. The courts can state whether or not action breaches the law, but that just means that the government simply needs to overwrite the law cited by the court. 
And again, if Reform had a majority all the court could do is slow them down. 

I think Labour made a good move picking Andy because the only people who seem pissed at him are people in well to do areas down south where they hate that he’s including the north more in the conversation. 

I’m still personally skeptical of him though since he’s pro-Israel by all accounts (well he at least hasn’t said anything against them or made any pro Palestine remarks, which is complicit in 2026), isn’t taking away our support for the US in the Iran war like our bases and considering he’s from the biggest LGBTQ+ focused city (Manchester) he hasn’t made any comments or attempts to change the transphobic laws that are being or trying to be passed yet. Maybe that can all happen after he’s voted in again, but I’m still skeptical. 

At least he’s not a lunatic like Farage or Lowe, or a weirdly bootlicking Badenoch.

[gagzus 23,629]

2 hours ago, nATAH said:

so basically slavery

Not slavery per se, but it makes no sense that suddenly they’d have MILLIONS of unpaid jobs available. Which would require them to fire already paid people who do things like bin collection, rubbish picking and other community based things that people who work for the local councils do.

It would create a big class rift as well, because essentially community service jobs would be for “poor, unemployed losers” and people would treat them how they already treat immigrants.

[Purrrrrr 18,172]

24 minutes ago, gagzus said:

Reform will never have a majority in parliament enough for them to pass the laws they want, also the courts can override any law that is deemed a violation of the laws we have in place. This would be one of those.

Because in the UK you cannot force people to work — despite what people think yes, it is not a legal requirement to have a job in this country, you can’t force community service without them having broken laws that damage the local community such as vandalism and you also can’t make adults work for less than minimum wage unwillingly. So they would never pass these laws.

Plus Farage’s reputation is forever tarnished across the country, he would never get to lead a party. Plus the votes for the Prime Minister are held not just in England where the majority of their voters are; they would need Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to back them and currently because Reform is seen as an English centric party they’re never going to be voted in by any of them. 
 

Almost every poll that we refer to in politics in the UK is primarily based on English constituencies and not constituencies across the rest of the UK. The big “stop the immigrants” thing they use is primarily an English mentality. Reform is an English party not a British one.

Also, because of how power devolution works, they can’t make a law that changes 100% of the UK laws and rules. Each parliament in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would have a vote to follow those laws. Meaning technically the can only assure that anything they do happens in England but not the whole of the UK.

it's actually not the laws I'm worried about, it's the insane racism and anarchy that will be justified to the people that love them