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10 hours ago, MOT said:

What you've said there makes sense from a 'normal politics' point of view, but ... my overriding concern is that the GOP have waved goodbye to normal politics. They currently have control of the Presidency, the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court. If the Dems win the House, the Senate or the Presidency in 2026 or 2028, and the GOP refuse to hand over the keys, what can the Dems do about that ?  

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/09/democrats-election-disruption-planning-exercises

The Dems are actively planning for it this time around. It won't catch them unprepared like in 2020.
And this all they can do besides win by uncontestable margins in swing states

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11 hours ago, Bronco said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/09/democrats-election-disruption-planning-exercises

The Dems are actively planning for it this time around. It won't catch them unprepared like in 2020.
And this all they can do besides win by uncontestable margins in swing states

I wish the Demsx every success. We'll find out for better or worse in three months.

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22 hours ago, MOT said:

They currently have control of the Presidency, the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court.

The same was true when Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 election and he failed

We have forgotten our public MANNERS
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1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

The same was true when Trump attempted to overturn the 2020 election and he failed

I believe the Dems had the House in 2020, so a different ball game really. None of us know how it's going to turn out in November, and it may turn out well, the numbers for the Dems might just be too strong, but those bad guys are pretty bad - they won't be bringing a knife to a gunfight, that's for sure. Meanwhile the Dems will probably send a strongly-worded letter.

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35 minutes ago, MOT said:

Dems had the House in 2020,

Not really relevant, given that the only scenario where the House would’ve come into play would’ve been if, somehow, the electoral slates from the swing states had been thrown out, which would throw the election to the House delegation to vote for the President, but even at that: the GOP had the majority of House *delegations* (which is how that voting process goes), so the House GOP could’ve stolen the election in 2020 if the elector gambit played out, but it didn’t. 

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7 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Not really relevant, given that the only scenario where the House would’ve come into play would’ve been if, somehow, the electoral slates from the swing states had been thrown out, which would throw the election to the House delegation to vote for the President, but even at that: the GOP had the majority of House *delegations* (which is how that voting process goes), so the House GOP could’ve stolen the election in 2020 if the elector gambit played out, but it didn’t. 

Ah, ok, so in that specific context the GOP effectively DID have the House. Fair enough.

My concern is more general though. In a nutshell, Mike Johnson for Nancy Pelosi is not a good swap.

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9 hours ago, MOT said:

I believe the Dems had the House in 2020, so a different ball game really. None of us know how it's going to turn out in November, and it may turn out well, the numbers for the Dems might just be too strong, but those bad guys are pretty bad - they won't be bringing a knife to a gunfight, that's for sure. Meanwhile the Dems will probably send a strongly-worded letter.

Dems had control of the House but thats not really important in the certification vote. 

Because the process is this since Jan 6th:

1/5th (20%) of both the Senate & House must formally object in writing. 

And then it would require a majority in both chambers to reject it formally. 

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