princedeeblebleble 3,639 Posted yesterday at 11:48 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:48 AM Oh when it comes to titles, I will say that one of the most disappointing things in recent pop culture is Gracie's Daughter from hell, WHAT DO YOU MEAN SUCH AN EPIC TITLE WENT TO SUCH A BORING NOTHING BURGER OF AN ALBUM?!?!?!?!?! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 25,123 Posted yesterday at 12:02 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:02 PM 12 minutes ago, princedeeblebleble said: Oh when it comes to titles, I will say that one of the most disappointing things in recent pop culture is Gracie's Daughter from hell, WHAT DO YOU MEAN SUCH AN EPIC TITLE WENT TO SUCH A BORING NOTHING BURGER OF AN ALBUM?!?!?!?!?! Daughter from hell and its just "Im famous and did coke with famous people at a party but I didn't enjoy it im sorry mom" The gays know how to party Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,875 Posted yesterday at 12:22 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:22 PM @imogen2133What’s funny, sister? We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,875 Posted yesterday at 12:27 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:27 PM 1 hour ago, imogen2133 said: ARTPOP, easily. So fckn true, sister. Never thought I’d agree with you, but here we are. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty like sodium 2,262 Posted yesterday at 12:59 PM Share Posted yesterday at 12:59 PM On 7/29/2026 at 7:00 AM, River said: atrpop to these days, nobody knows wtf she meant with this album.. u expected something like genius level of art and pop, but it was just a bunch of noisy dated EDM tracks about dance and sex, no pop, no art, no tech. this is the one true answer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imogen2133 565 Posted yesterday at 01:01 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:01 PM 37 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: @imogen2133What’s funny, sister? Huh? 33 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: 2 hours ago, imogen2133 said: ARTPOP, easily. So fckn true, sister. Never thought I’d agree with you, but here we are. Well that is mostly true so I don't really disagree but that doesn't change the fact that Mayhem was very misleading in both sound and visuals (album cover, album photoshoot, promo images etc) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,040 Posted yesterday at 01:19 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:19 PM On 7/29/2026 at 1:00 AM, River said: atrpop to these days, nobody knows wtf she meant with this album.. u expected something like genius level of art and pop, but it was just a bunch of noisy dated EDM tracks about dance and sex, no pop, no art, no tech. Weirdly enough, the best review I’ve ever read for ARTPOP that made it made sense was in an Amazon review section and called it a triptych of obsessions. Sex, fame, and material things. And the album is kind of divided that way. Idk if that was Gaga’s intention but I think it actually makes the album make a lot of sense with how she also early on said she wanted it to have a lack of responsibility, etc. And so it’s a sleazy album celebrating obsessions like you ride out the coke high of TF by smoking weed. The title, they said, then served as a meta commentary on her own work and what it had become. like I said, shockingly thoughtful and moreso than any way Gaga had described it or has since 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegidadedios 4,844 Posted yesterday at 01:47 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:47 PM On 7/29/2026 at 8:00 AM, River said: atrpop to these days, nobody knows wtf she meant with this album.. u expected something like genius level of art and pop, but it was just a bunch of noisy dated EDM tracks about dance and sex, no pop, no art, no tech. She was high Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,875 Posted yesterday at 01:58 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:58 PM 56 minutes ago, imogen2133 said: Huh? Well that is mostly true so I don't really disagree but that doesn't change the fact that Mayhem was very misleading in both sound and visuals (album cover, album photoshoot, promo images etc) Eh, I think the head fake was intentional marketing and the contrast between sound and aesthetic was deliberate (as opposed to ARTPOP, which is basically all ad hoc). But to each their own We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,875 Posted yesterday at 01:59 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:59 PM 40 minutes ago, Ziggy said: Weirdly enough, the best review I’ve ever read for ARTPOP that made it made sense was in an Amazon review section and called it a triptych of obsessions. Sex, fame, and material things. And the album is kind of divided that way. Idk if that was Gaga’s intention but I think it actually makes the album make a lot of sense with how she also early on said she wanted it to have a lack of responsibility, etc. And so it’s a sleazy album celebrating obsessions like you ride out the coke high of TF by smoking weed. The title, they said, then served as a meta commentary on her own work and what it had become. like I said, shockingly thoughtful and moreso than any way Gaga had described it or has since Oh, you don’t think a “Reverse Warholian Expedition” is an effective descriptor? We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imogen2133 565 Posted yesterday at 02:14 PM Share Posted yesterday at 02:14 PM (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Eh, I think the head fake was intentional marketing and the contrast between sound and aesthetic was deliberate (as opposed to ARTPOP, which is basically all ad hoc). But to each their own So you are saying that Gaga intentionally mismarketed the album and created a deliberate mismatch between visuals and sound of the album? For what? There is a difference between intentional chaos and a mismatch also and by this logic could one not say that she did the same thing with ARTPOP and she is a genius for that too? I feel like people just use the fact that it is called "Mayhem" as an excuse for the poor marketing or lack of cohesion tbh. Like say Gaga made Mayhem as an album where each song is completely different in genre and extremely all over the place like one is Jazz the next is country the next is trap the next is hyper pop and not as in pop with that genre mixed in but each one dives fully into that genre, sure that would be chaotic but it would be extremely incohesive and messy. Edited yesterday at 02:15 PM by imogen2133 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 31,125 Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:36 PM 21 hours ago, elegidadedios said: Agreed on the description but I personally never thought she would deliver such a thing musically Actually you are right we should've known Taylor would never release something like this! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,040 Posted yesterday at 03:38 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:38 PM 1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Oh, you don’t think a “Reverse Warholian Expedition” is an effective descriptor? But mama if it isn’t infinitely more iconic . Ga the brander strikes again 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy 14,040 Posted yesterday at 03:40 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:40 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, imogen2133 said: So you are saying that Gaga intentionally mismarketed the album and created a deliberate mismatch between visuals and sound of the album? For what? There is a difference between intentional chaos and a mismatch also and by this logic could one not say that she did the same thing with ARTPOP and she is a genius for that too? I feel like people just use the fact that it is called "Mayhem" as an excuse for the poor marketing or lack of cohesion tbh. Like say Gaga made Mayhem as an album where each song is completely different in genre and extremely all over the place like one is Jazz the next is country the next is trap the next is hyper pop and not as in pop with that genre mixed in but each one dives fully into that genre, sure that would be chaotic but it would be extremely incohesive and messy. Ns to her but I think this is why she called it Mayhem (to have plausible cover lol). Methinks **** was kinda a mess of indecisions until they clicked with the vision for Abracadabra Edited yesterday at 03:40 PM by Ziggy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 52,875 Posted yesterday at 03:45 PM Share Posted yesterday at 03:45 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, imogen2133 said: intentionally mismarketed Nope, never said that. I said she wanted to generate discourse about a “return to form era” and she explicitly stated during the post-Disease pre-album cycle that “people are going to think they know where this album is going based on the first few songs, then it takes a turn half way through,” so I think it’s fair to say she was fully aware that people thought it was going to be a full dark pop record and leaned into those curated expectations to ultimately subvert them. 1 hour ago, imogen2133 said: she did the same thing with ARTPOP I’d say she fine tuned what she attempted to do with the messaging surrounding ARTPOP on MAYHEM. The MAYHEM era, as meta commentary, owns the idea that she doesn’t have to be solely one thing as its central ethos. And even though that was probably the strongest and most coherent aspect of the ARTPOP era and messenging, she endlessly diluted that message by cramming in a bunch of secondary cultural critique (“reverse Warholian expedition,” “intersection of ART and POP culture” etc.). that didn’t do much to reinforce the album’s most salient theme. Edited yesterday at 03:52 PM by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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