The Anti-Gaga Backlash Around Confessions II

[rinasawachanta 3,444]

1 hour ago, Ayesha Erotica said:

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Hi everyone,

I’m here to talk about something that’s been bothering me since the release of Confessions II, and I think this is a good place to share it with my fellow monsters. I listened to the album and thought it was really good—I truly enjoyed it—but my enjoyment started to be overshadowed by the fact that, as the album began to receive positive reviews, a narrative against Gaga began to unfold, driven primarily by Madonna fans and even some monsters (or, at least, I sense a serious lack of enthusiasm when it comes to defending her). Specifically, there have been systematic attacks on Chromatica: a well-established—and largely unfounded—narrative that it’s a “bad” album, something repeated ad nauseam, to the point where I think it ends up making some monsters question their genuine appreciation for the album. At the same time, it’s very harsh—and even concerning—how Madonna’s fans can’t seem to enjoy the album’s relative success without dragging Gaga into it. It’s sickening; they’re out of their minds. It’s as if they’d been hiding under a rock for practically twenty years, lying in wait for Madonna to have anything resembling a hit so they could jump in to “cash in” on years of bitterness and resentment toward Gaga. It really strikes me because I don’t recall this being the situation—not even remotely close—when Mayhem came out.

Sorry for the long post, but I’m really wondering how other monsters are experiencing this, because I don’t see anyone else speaking out about it. It seems more like a series of one-sided attacks, coming even from unexpected people (the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was seeing some older men talking about gay/pop culture in my country, who—in their video reaction to Confessions II—literally broke their long-standing silence—which had been conspicuous but respectful—regarding Gaga with negative comments about her). I’m concerned about the power of narratives when it comes to marketing-driven cultural consumption: the way something can be constructed as unambiguously good, positive, or successful, just as the exact opposite narrative can be spun about another phenomenon or product.

I'd like to hear your opinions—always respectfully.

 

The opening post has been entirely written by artificial intelligence.

Seems like a low effort try to stir chaos and create a dispute among Gaga and Madonna fanbase with the help of AI.

I am only replying to post written by humans, not by AI.

Evidence:

", a narrative against Gaga began to unfold, driven primarily by Madonna fans"

"Specifically, there have been systematic attacks on Chromatica: a well-established—and largely unfounded—narrative"

"something repeated ad nauseam,"

" I’m concerned about the power of narratives when it comes to marketing-driven cultural consumption: the way something can be constructed as unambiguously good, positive, or successful, just as the exact opposite narrative can be spun about another phenomenon or product."

"Sorry for the long post"

You didn't even write it yourself. Why don't you write it yourself?

The whole opening post has a scientific essay-like structure, the many ChatGDP hyphens, the elaborate choice of words, the academic evaluation, the predictable sequence of structure in typical ChatGDP-style.

There is another user on this forum  @StrawberryBlond who writes in an elaborate style, but she writes her posts by herself. Comparing her post to yours, you fulfill all criteria made by ChatGDP, while StrawberryBlonde's post feels written by a human. Your post feels machine like, mechanic, while SB's posts are individual.

 

 

Hi! This post was NOT written using artificial intelligence. What might catch your attention is that English isn't my native language, so I use a translator (DeepL). It was originally written in native Spanish (which is probably why the syntax and grammar are a little more complex). On the other hand, my job literally is to write articles and essays, lol, so don't underestimate my intelligence or my writing skills.

[JohnPokerface 633]

I did not see that on my timeline and tbh based on my timeline Jay Z's concerts were a bigger event in pop culture than Madonna's album. You probably interact with those haters so that's why you see it. 

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 31,701]

4 hours ago, Bronco said:

They didn't attack you or anyone in the post you quoted though.

While I disagree with the OP's original point about Chromatica hate being new and/or artificial. At no point have they actually attacked anyone in this thread for being critical of Chromatica.

Unless we're all wanting to be super snowflakey about it lol in which case, you might as well be in the stan wars because thats equally childish. 

That applies to their response as well lol

[HotLikeMexico 6,503]

7 hours ago, LGAte said:

Naw. Chromatica is a lot better than what you are making it. It’s a good pop album with a really unique distinct sound. For some people that need deep lyrics to make the album seem more serious because they don’t resonate vibrational well with music without wordplay throughout the whole thing (ironically something Confessions II explicitly calls out), they think pop albums with more simple lyrics are not deep.

personally whenever I hear Chromatica, I actually get the same goosebumps I get with Born This Way (for different reasons). 
 

Alice is a fantastic and smart opener of a concept for an album like that. The concept of the whole album is done well. Stupid Love is better than average and fans are just applying their garbage need for a BBH100 #1 on it but it’s actually a solid pop song. Rain on Me is a Pride classic now. Free Woman is fun and sad somehow. Plastic Doll (synthwave), Enigma(house), Replay (disco-house revival), and 1000 Doves (trance) all excellently reference EDM sub-genres in really nice ways. The ACTUAL experimentation of doing an outro with trip hop like that on Sine From Above is wild and cool and a genuine sonic moment in Gaga’s career I love. Matter fact, I think it informed the eventual crazy outros we see happen multiple times on Mayhem. It’s so HER to see her throw in a wrench like that. The bridge between Chromatica II and 911 is absolutely one of the most diabolically good transitions in pop, period. There are entire compilation videos on YT annd TikTok of people being gagged by that. And the outro track Babylon is the best re-iteration of Vogue ever done. Is it referencing Vogue? Clearly. But so did Beyonce on Renaissance. Beyoncé literally even referenced multiple big songs (like I Feel Love) on that album and people applauded her for barely changing anything about the melody or hook. When Gaga even slightly borrows two notes the entire Madonna fanbase seizures. It’s not a knock on Beyonce because I like Renaissance, it’s just a praise to Gaga because clearly Gaga must apparently crack through the literal bottom of the universe and find a new note or genre every time or else fans don’t think she is original enough. The truth is….on the spectrum of pop albums from the COVID era…Chromatica visually, sonically, and even emotionally stands out whether haters like it or not and it will be brushed off by many who hold Gaga to an insane standard but will always be adored by enough that it’s lime green and magenta pink spikes will always pierce the conversation surrounding music here and there well into the future when music aficionados are still dissecting Gaga in the year 2080.
 

Full circle: I absolutely adore Madonna and I am so glad that I am not misogynistic or ageist or sexist enough to not be able to enjoy both of these talented women. And no….Chromatica is a great pop album with a couple filler “vibes” on it. But if anyone else released that album people would say it was a really edgy cool experiment. 
 

imagine in any of the dance girls released an album with world building and aura and big bold beats like Chromatica? People would say it was underrated and misunderstood.

 

maybe even from someone as big as Gaga it still is misunderstood. But for those of us that don’t need Gaga to have a juggernaut hit every era (although I’d argue Rain on Me is because it was everywhere, celebrated, and even featured in Shameless), Chromatica is a fantastic and necessary addition to Gaga’s canon and where she was at at that time. 

I stopped after the first line. Chromatica isn’t a unique album music wise.

[HotLikeMexico 6,503]

I’ve been a Gaga fan since HS right when just dance first dropped. But the older I’ve gotten, the more I just stopped caring about all this stan ****. The fact that some of y’all are this defensive and protective about Gaga in this thread is actually kinda weird. I love her, I always, but I’m not that invested anymore. That said, I love Madonna. They both can coexist. Both are icons, both are legends, CII is a great album.

[JohnnyVersace 9,264]

No shade, but you're saying a whole lot nothing with completely unfounded evidence or receipts. I'm in NYC, went to Club Confessions, and highly online and on social media, and haven't heard/seen a peep about LG as it pertains to this album. If anything, tons of LM's were at the event dancing to the music as well, everyone unified.

 

[StrawberryBlond 15,525]

I honestly think we shouldn't pay any mind to what chronically online people have to think about pop culture (I say that as one myself, so no shade). It really doesn't have any bearing on the real world, only impresses other pop stans (and we don't even like each other!) and it's the sales that will really tell the story of who's winning, commercially at least. Both Madonna and Gaga did well for their latest releases although that's respective to their age, length of their career and cultural relevancy. Madonna got 82 on MetaCritic, Gaga got 84. Madonna debuted at #1 with 134k in the US, Gaga with #1 and 219k in the US. Madonna's highest charting single is Bring Your Love at #74 in the US, Gaga's is Abracadabra at #13 (if we're being fair). Good for where they are in their careers.

But you can tell bitter Madonna fans are hanging on that precious 2 point difference in MC score, say Gaga got more promo for album so it sold more and that Gaga can't get a solo hit anymore. In actuality, only the fans on both sides care and not all of us do anyway. Most people don't even know or care when a singer who isn't their fave has an album out. Support your fave and you'll always get good results. And if you don't follow stan wars, they don't exist. It's like Stevie Nicks once said to Katy Perry when asked who her rivals were: "I don't have rivals. My female peers are my friends. If you don't go online, you won't have any rivals either." 

3 hours ago, Ayesha Erotica said:

There is another user on this forum  @StrawberryBlond who writes in an elaborate style, but she writes her posts by herself. Comparing her post to yours, you fulfill all criteria made by ChatGDP, while StrawberryBlonde's post feels written by a human. Your post feels machine like, mechanic, while SB's posts are individual.

Thanks for the compliment, but you really don't need to compare us. Whether @rinasawachanta uses a translator or online helper or not, we should just accept different writing styles. I don't like it when people laugh at my long posts so it's best to just let people do their thing.

[nATAH 56,593]

3 hours ago, Ayesha Erotica said:

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Hi everyone,

I’m here to talk about something that’s been bothering me since the release of Confessions II, and I think this is a good place to share it with my fellow monsters. I listened to the album and thought it was really good—I truly enjoyed it—but my enjoyment started to be overshadowed by the fact that, as the album began to receive positive reviews, a narrative against Gaga began to unfold, driven primarily by Madonna fans and even some monsters (or, at least, I sense a serious lack of enthusiasm when it comes to defending her). Specifically, there have been systematic attacks on Chromatica: a well-established—and largely unfounded—narrative that it’s a “bad” album, something repeated ad nauseam, to the point where I think it ends up making some monsters question their genuine appreciation for the album. At the same time, it’s very harsh—and even concerning—how Madonna’s fans can’t seem to enjoy the album’s relative success without dragging Gaga into it. It’s sickening; they’re out of their minds. It’s as if they’d been hiding under a rock for practically twenty years, lying in wait for Madonna to have anything resembling a hit so they could jump in to “cash in” on years of bitterness and resentment toward Gaga. It really strikes me because I don’t recall this being the situation—not even remotely close—when Mayhem came out.

Sorry for the long post, but I’m really wondering how other monsters are experiencing this, because I don’t see anyone else speaking out about it. It seems more like a series of one-sided attacks, coming even from unexpected people (the straw that broke the camel’s back for me was seeing some older men talking about gay/pop culture in my country, who—in their video reaction to Confessions II—literally broke their long-standing silence—which had been conspicuous but respectful—regarding Gaga with negative comments about her). I’m concerned about the power of narratives when it comes to marketing-driven cultural consumption: the way something can be constructed as unambiguously good, positive, or successful, just as the exact opposite narrative can be spun about another phenomenon or product.

I'd like to hear your opinions—always respectfully.

 

The opening post has been entirely written by artificial intelligence.

Seems like a low effort try to stir chaos and create a dispute among Gaga and Madonna fanbase with the help of AI.

I am only replying to post written by humans, not by AI.

Evidence:

", a narrative against Gaga began to unfold, driven primarily by Madonna fans"

"Specifically, there have been systematic attacks on Chromatica: a well-established—and largely unfounded—narrative"

"something repeated ad nauseam,"

" I’m concerned about the power of narratives when it comes to marketing-driven cultural consumption: the way something can be constructed as unambiguously good, positive, or successful, just as the exact opposite narrative can be spun about another phenomenon or product."

"Sorry for the long post"

You didn't even write it yourself. Why don't you write it yourself?

The whole opening post has a scientific essay-like structure, the many ChatGDP hyphens, the elaborate choice of words, the academic evaluation, the predictable sequence of structure in typical ChatGDP-style.

There is another user on this forum  @StrawberryBlond who writes in an elaborate style, but she writes her posts by herself. Comparing her post to yours, you fulfill all criteria made by ChatGDP, while StrawberryBlonde's post feels written by a human. Your post feels machine like, mechanic, while SB's posts are individual.

 

 

girl this is so extra and wrong