Justin Bieber in talks to perform at FIFA World Cup halftime show

[Ricardo 8,103]

5 hours ago, Kayioshka said:

Madonna is really off-topic, sorry but her aura here send me bad vibes. Getting her being suggestive and oversexualized is just not for this event. It’s like if she was predating young footballers and the young men in the public (and by extension children, like there are litteraly a lot of kids in the public. And her Erotica book’s lines about kiddos just suddently came to my mind...). Maybe it’s normal for Americans to do an half-time show with half-naked women and men... But it’s not in Europe, Asia or even in Africa. And if ppl dare hating on drag-queens for being around kids just for wearing makeup gosh (when the drag queens are litteraly most of the time the victims of abuses)... Idk why Madonna passes as simply minding her business or as a cougar. While in fact it’s none of that, she simply shouldn’t do a show up at a public event like that. Queen of pop or not, good music or not, fck her. 

girl, wtf? you sound like a middle age conservative mom

 

ot, Justin Bieber has become a mediocre artist, I don't see what he could add to the halftime SHOW

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17 hours ago, ALGAYDO said:

We love mediocrity! 

It actually annoys the crap out of me tho lately TS is annoying me the most coz the level of adoration is just so disproportionate but Bieber is definitely on my list of irritants

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3 hours ago, Ricardo said:

girl, wtf? you sound like a middle age conservative mom

 

ot, Justin Bieber has become a mediocre artist, I don't see what he could add to the halftime SHOW

Huh ? Setting boundaries to seemingless is a need. If you think otherwise then it’s concerning because we live in a society and what solidify it is self-consciousness.

That’s intellectually lazy and insulting toward my harmless opinion.

 

If Lolita was marketed as a romanticized story between an adult and a kid... You should feel concerned. When an editor sell a book, he must explain why he decide to sell it. Most people when they read Lolita, they see the fact that the girl is being abused. Even if the narration isn’t explicit, we know what were the purposes of the Nabokov and it shows in the whole direction. But many people started to popularize an aesthetic romanticizing the whole abuse. Sometimes aesthetics really affect the mind of vulnerable people. To prevent the bad conscequences (1: young girls being into older men. 2 : older men lusting over it and normalizing this kind of schemes). Real bad and damn conscequences, because imaginations can lead to real actions.

On the other hand, authors like Sade should have stayed unknown but who had impact despite of their vices. We cannot control everything, every thoughts... But thanksfully the opinions of most people on Sade is that it should only stay a fantasm or just an object of study.

If you allow people to read Mein Kempf, you need to tell people that we shouldn’t addhere to Nazism. Even if we cannot control what there is in the mind of people, we need to identify which kind of profiles will read these books or at least warn people. It’s preventive. The conscequences could be violent rising of crimes against Jewish people, gay people or any racised people.

On the other hand, as a racised person, I don’t think it’s necessary to put a trigger warning to everything. I don’t think it’s good for intellectuals to justify every contexts. I mean, we know that some books of certain eras contain racist slurs. That’s facing a fact and we have to think about it by ourselves. But we must think about the reception when it comes to a big audience.

 

For images, it’s even more sensitive. And that’s why this questions comes from the ancient theatres to our modern medias. You need purposes before showing something to a big audience.

 

I'm 20, not married nor have kids, and I don’t have any interests in these two things. You compare me to biggots, but hey, reducing me to my biological condition is no different to what you denounce.

And my pov is nuanced and personal.

I speak more likely as someone who used to be a kid and who have younger sisters, brothers and cousins. I'm really stressed sometimes when I think about the kind of violent medias that we shows to kids... Especially around suicide topics. Because they are not mature enough to analyze these images or topics in a wide way.

 

I think Madonna can keep doing her business. She is for the gays and the girls, but adult people.

When she decide to show her art to a larger audience, she shouldn’t come with shock values... The audience is mostly guys who love sport, chill people and families.

Of course kids will see this show. Of course it’s not rightful to show this to kids... After the Epstein files situation we need to protect them more and be vigilents. I don’t think Madonna is clean since her fantasms (espacially the one about the young boy in her Erotica book) can come true bc she has the means to. She litteraly stole African kids from their parents because she had money. And she never allowed them to see their biological parents again. 

Not everything should be about shocking people to teach them about unknown social issues. For Madonna's case it’s ageism.

Most people are really traumatized by our social and economical context. So no, bringing the ageism question is not relevant. It's something she brings as a very privilleged background. This question could be extended to the way we force women to be sexual objects until their de*th. It’s one point of view, but not the most legitime one.

We're in an individualist society, who pushes women to oversexualize themselves. If you're not "hot enough" you cannot be a popstar. What does Madonna wants to prove ? I'm still sexy and I keep selling music ? Ok but it's not as provocative as it pretend to be. Because at the end the idea is still "sex sells".

And there are litteral wars, what’s the point of showing more ego and selfishness ?

I think awarness makes sense, but in the right context given.

Her thematics are uninteresting for the audience of the World Cup, it will only cause bad buzz. And it will be shocking to kids for no valid reasons.

 

Defending millionaires won’t give you wings. Defending your personal interests and the real oppressed ones, is more useful.

Kids are really oppressed, that’s why they have to overcome bullying, self-hatred, wars, racism, poverty and all the adults problems...

[Ricardo 8,103]

3 minutes ago, Kayioshka said:

Huh ? Setting boundaries to seemingless is a need. If you think otherwise then it’s concerning because we live in a society and what solidify it is self-consciousness.

That’s intellectually lazy and insulting toward my harmless opinion.

 

If Lolita was marketed as a romanticized story between an adult and a kid... You should feel concerned. When an editor sell a book, he must explain why he decide to sell it. Most people when they read Lolita, they see the fact that the girl is being abused. Even if the narration isn’t explicit, we know what were the purposes of the Nabokov and it shows in the whole direction. But many people started to popularize an aesthetic romanticizing the whole abuse. Sometimes aesthetics really affect the mind of vulnerable people. To prevent the bad conscequences (1: young girls being into older men. 2 : older men lusting over it and normalizing this kind of schemes). Real bad and damn conscequences, because imaginations can lead to real actions.

On the other hand, authors like Sade should have stayed unknown but who had impact despite of their vices. We cannot control everything, every thoughts... But thanksfully the opinions of most people on Sade is that it should only stay a fantasm or just an object of study.

If you allow people to read Mein Kempf, you need to tell people that we shouldn’t addhere to Nazism. Even if we cannot control what there is in the mind of people, we need to identify which kind of profiles will read these books or at least warn people. It’s preventive. The conscequences could be violent rising of crimes against Jewish people, gay people or any racised people.

On the other hand, as a racised person, I don’t think it’s necessary to put a trigger warning to everything. I don’t think it’s good for intellectuals to justify every contexts. I mean, we know that some books of certain eras contain racist slurs. That’s facing a fact and we have to think about it by ourselves. But we must think about the reception when it comes to a big audience.

 

For images, it’s even more sensitive. And that’s why this questions comes from the ancient theatres to our modern medias. You need purposes before showing something to a big audience.

 

I'm 20, not married nor have kids, and I don’t have any interests in these two things. You compare me to biggots, but hey, reducing me to my biological condition is no different to what you denounce.

And my pov is nuanced and personal.

I speak more likely as someone who used to be a kid and who have younger sisters, brothers and cousins. I'm really stressed sometimes when I think about the kind of violent medias that we shows to kids... Especially around suicide topics. Because they are not mature enough to analyze these images or topics in a wide way.

 

I think Madonna can keep doing her business. She is for the gays and the girls, but adult people.

When she decide to show her art to a larger audience, she shouldn’t come with shock values... The audience is mostly guys who love sport, chill people and families.

Of course kids will see this show. Of course it’s not rightful to show this to kids... After the Epstein files situation we need to protect them more and be vigilents. I don’t think Madonna is clean since her fantasms (espacially the one about the young boy in her Erotica book) can come true bc she has the means to. She litteraly stole African kids from their parents because she had money. And she never allowed them to see their biological parents again. 

Not everything should be about shocking people to teach them about unknown social issues. For Madonna's case it’s ageism.

Most people are really traumatized by our social and economical context. So no, bringing the ageism question is not relevant. It's something she brings as a very privilleged background. This question could be extended to the way we force women to be sexual objects until their de*th. It’s one point of view, but not the most legitime one.

We're in an individualist society, who pushes women to oversexualize themselves. If you're not "hot enough" you cannot be a popstar. What does Madonna wants to prove ? I'm still sexy and I keep selling music ? Ok but it's not as provocative as it pretend to be. Because at the end the idea is still "sex sells".

And there are litteral wars, what’s the point of showing more ego and selfishness ?

I think awarness makes sense, but in the right context given.

Her thematics are uninteresting for the audience of the World Cup, it will only cause bad buzz. And it will be shocking to kids for no valid reasons.

 

Defending millionaires won’t give you wings. Defending your personal interests and the real oppressed ones, is more useful.

Kids are really oppressed, that’s why they have to overcome bullying, self-hatred, wars, racism, poverty and all the adults problems...

uh ok girl, get a chill pill  you don't like Madonna, we get it 

Edited July 3 by Ricardo

[Kayioshka 3,253]

15 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

uh ok girl, get a chill pill  you don't like Madonna, we get it 

Read it fully. I say that she has her public, and I'd say me included. But she cannot bring her brand everywhere.

It’s very short-minded to simplify my opinion in a fully "negative" or "positive" idea.

I articulated why I think it’s innappropriate.

I don’t like Madonna as a person, because I think she is a part of privilleged people who might cause harm to weaker people. She talked about her weird fantasms about a young boy in her book Erotica and this solidified my belief about her.

I like her art, her music, but I see her shadow. And I won’t recommand her to young kids and even teens. And the W.C audience is mainly men uninterested in pop divas and families.

Doing a shocking show desguised as "militantism" is unfair. Her ageism militantism can also be innapropriate because she forces it to kids. "Sex sells forever" is not what we need.

When I was 13yo I really loved Billie Eilish because she was proving that a woman in baggy singing pop music is as cool as a woman in suggestive outfits. She really helped me in a way because my representation of women in modern medias was narrower and I felt bad about that.

In this war context, we can militate for other causes more in adequation with the real underground's people situation.

That’s my opinion without distortions.

Again I'm being reduced to "get a chill pill". Say it clearly, I'm hysterical because I have an uterus and men of ancient times associated female expressions to this.

Edited July 3 by Kayioshka

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i'm sorry that justin got so overwhelmed about the music industry and lost his energy, i remember him being everywhere in 2015/16

there were some rumours he was doing the copacabana show this year, but it ended up being shakira

hope he does a good set on the halftime show

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They needed a true headliner.