UK PM to resign on Monday

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I feel like the UK has more time in PM transitions than in actual positions

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Where do Burnham's stances fall om the political scale relative to Starmer's? I could Google but I'd prefer hearing it from a Gaga fan. 

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6 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Where do Burnham's stances fall om the political scale relative to Starmer's? I could Google but I'd prefer hearing it from a Gaga fan. 

As Mayor he's been a critic from the left of Starmer, but has softened a little in recent weeks to win this election to Parliament. 

Don't expect major changes tbh

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It’s funny to me that we’ve moved right leaning so much in the UK government that Andy Burnham is considered “more liberal” and “socialist” than Kier Starmer when both are zionists, racist, war criminals, transphobes and liars.

We need a Green Party government because the rest are absolutely insane weirdos. For a country that complains and laughs at America’s decision to have Trump running them we sure do seem to be the same.

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12 hours ago, AsleepOnTheCeiling said:

I feel like the UK has more time in PM transitions than in actual positions

To be honest it’s because the British public are (for lack of a better term) dumb as f*ck and don’t understand politics enough to know how trickle down from previous governments and how compromise works. We have shifted more Prime Ministers in the last 10 years because the cycle is the same. 
 

Potential PMs run based around popular topics/concerns of the public > Are voted in > realise they cannot actually do those things legally and stay prime minister > their followers lose confidence > the country doesn’t understand that absolutism isn’t possible > prime minister tries to do other things through back door policy they promised they would do, but realises they have to > public gets mad > they’re voted out or campaigned against under no confidence > repeat from the beginning.

It’s been a never ending cycle since austerity and Brexit in the 2010s.

Edited June 20 by gagzus

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I think a good solution to resolve this problem is for Burnham to become PM and suggest Starmer as Foreign Secretary, the only area he has arguably been effective. He just isn’t good at politics, he lacks the dynamism a moment like this needs which Burnham offers. Burnham has done amazing things for Manchester in the last 10 years and managed to work with council leaders who ideologically were very different from him, I think he will set the policy priorities back on the correct path. Not saying it’s going to be an easy ride if he does become PM but I think he’s Labours only hope. Also was incredibly enjoyable seeing Reform and their sycophants and the morons at GB News lose their mind yesterday, the political spin was off the charts 😂

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7 minutes ago, DopeEnigma said:

I think a good solution to resolve this problem is for Burnham to become PM and suggest Starmer as Foreign Secretary, the only area he has arguably been effective. He just isn’t good at politics, he lacks the dynamism a moment like this needs which Burnham offers. Burnham has done amazing things for Manchester in the last 10 years and managed to work with council leaders who ideologically were very different from him, I think he will set the policy priorities back on the correct path. Not saying it’s going to be an easy ride if he does become PM but I think he’s Labours only hope. Also was incredibly enjoyable seeing Reform and their sycophants and the morons at GB News lose their mind yesterday, the political spin was off the charts 😂

I wouldn’t celebrate too much yet because Burnham has similar views to those Reform candidates he’s just not as extreme as them. Like most Labour for the last decade he’s actually central with a slight right leaning disposition. Green and to some degree Lib Dem are the only truly progressive parties anymore.

It is most likely going to still be a Labour vs Conservative battle for leadership of the country as per usual, and I guess id prefer Burnham since the opposition leader has basically stronger right wing leaning ideology and policies to put forward against trans people, gay people, migrants and young people.
 

However, I personally will still be voting for Polanski as he’s the only sane leader left in politics anymore. Everyone else is a Zionist, war criminal, Xenophon’s and anti-LGBTQ+ person.

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3 hours ago, Bronco said:

As Mayor he's been a critic from the left of Starmer, but has softened a little in recent weeks to win this election to Parliament. 

Don't expect major changes tbh

This. He’s very much a centralist with some right leaning ideology. Same as every labour leader for the last decade or so.

Cant believe the actual progressive prime minister we’ve had is Theresa May and to some degree David Cameron. Two Tories. Wild.

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5 minutes ago, gagzus said:

I wouldn’t celebrate too much yet because Burnham has similar views to those Reform candidates he’s just not as extreme as them. Like most Labour for the last decade he’s actually central with a slight right leaning disposition. Green and to some degree Lib Dem are the only truly progressive parties anymore.

It is most likely going to still be a Labour vs Conservative battle for leadership of the country as per usual, and I guess id prefer Burnham since the opposition leader has basically stronger right wing leaning ideology and policies to put forward against trans people, gay people, migrants and young people.
 

However, I personally will still be voting for Polanski as he’s the only sane leader left in politics anymore. Everyone else is a Zionist, war criminal, Xenophon’s and anti-LGBTQ+ person.

I don’t think it’s accurate to put Burnham in the same category as Reform candidates simply because he’s not on the furthest left of politics. There is a huge difference between being a centre-left politician and supporting the kind of rhetoric or policies associated with Reform.

You can disagree with Burnham on specific issues, but he’s consistently supported investment in public transport, workers’ rights, devolution, public services and opposition to austerity. That’s a very different political tradition from Reform. Not being as left-wing as the Greens doesn’t automatically make someone right-wing.

I also don’t agree that the Greens are the only progressive party left. Labour, the Greens and the Lib Dems all contain progressive strands, but they pursue change in different ways. The question isn’t just who has the most radical platform, it’s who can actually build a majority and implement policies nationally. Historically, Labour has been the only centre-left party capable of forming a government in the UK.

As for Zack Polanski, I can see why some people like him, but calling him the only sane politician seems like a stretch. Even within the Green Party he’s been a divisive figure. His “eco-populist” strategy was explicitly inspired by learning from Nigel Farage’s style of politics, which many Greens themselves were uncomfortable with. 

Polanski has also focused heavily on movement-building and anti-establishment messaging, but the Greens still face the basic problem that turning protest support into enough parliamentary seats to govern the country is extraordinarily difficult under the UK’s electoral system. Even many Green supporters acknowledge that forming a national government remains a long-term ambition rather than an immediate prospect. 

And while it’s fair to criticise politicians over Gaza, foreign policy or other issues, describing everyone else as Zionists, war criminals, xenophobes and anti-LGBTQ+ isn’t a serious assessment of British politics. There are major differences between Labour, the Lib Dems, Greens, Conservatives and Reform on immigration, LGBT rights, civil liberties and foreign policy. Reducing all of them to the same label ignores those differences.

Ultimately, I’d rather judge politicians on their actual records and policies than assume anyone who isn’t Zack Polanski is part of the same political camp.

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23 minutes ago, DopeEnigma said:

I don’t think it’s accurate to put Burnham in the same category as Reform candidates simply because he’s not on the furthest left of politics. There is a huge difference between being a centre-left politician and supporting the kind of rhetoric or policies associated with Reform.

You can disagree with Burnham on specific issues, but he’s consistently supported investment in public transport, workers’ rights, devolution, public services and opposition to austerity. That’s a very different political tradition from Reform. Not being as left-wing as the Greens doesn’t automatically make someone right-wing.

I also don’t agree that the Greens are the only progressive party left. Labour, the Greens and the Lib Dems all contain progressive strands, but they pursue change in different ways. The question isn’t just who has the most radical platform, it’s who can actually build a majority and implement policies nationally. Historically, Labour has been the only centre-left party capable of forming a government in the UK.

As for Zack Polanski, I can see why some people like him, but calling him the only sane politician seems like a stretch. Even within the Green Party he’s been a divisive figure. His “eco-populist” strategy was explicitly inspired by learning from Nigel Farage’s style of politics, which many Greens themselves were uncomfortable with. 

Polanski has also focused heavily on movement-building and anti-establishment messaging, but the Greens still face the basic problem that turning protest support into enough parliamentary seats to govern the country is extraordinarily difficult under the UK’s electoral system. Even many Green supporters acknowledge that forming a national government remains a long-term ambition rather than an immediate prospect. 

And while it’s fair to criticise politicians over Gaza, foreign policy or other issues, describing everyone else as Zionists, war criminals, xenophobes and anti-LGBTQ+ isn’t a serious assessment of British politics. There are major differences between Labour, the Lib Dems, Greens, Conservatives and Reform on immigration, LGBT rights, civil liberties and foreign policy. Reducing all of them to the same label ignores those differences.

Ultimately, I’d rather judge politicians on their actual records and policies than assume anyone who isn’t Zack Polanski is part of the same political camp.

This is gonna be a long post but:

Track record nowadays means absolutely nothing because politicians are proven to change their views once in power or to garner support, especially centralists like Labour. Id rather have someone like Polanski who keeps his hard views the whole way.

I also completely disagree because Polanski is the only person who has brutally and honestly spoke about the climate crisis, has denounced Israel for their genocide, is LGBTQ+ himself and is opposed to the weird ”single sex” space bans that have happened, he believes we demonise immigrants too much (which we do) and talks about our colonial history that white people seem to shrug off whilst still acknowledging the good things we have done. He also believes we should be back in the European Union because of the costs it has caused us economically after leaving, and he is very much against Putin and Trump openly although he’s “willing to talk to them” despite their opposing views. He has hard left views yes but I believe he is what we NEED because we’re a western country we’re supposed to be a heavily liberal country.

He’s also the only politician leader who hasn’t changed his stance to immigration despite mounting pressure and public perception and ideology. Right wing views have been proven time and time again to fail especially in the western world. You also can tell he’s onto something since even “left” (read: centrist) wing media are constantly trying to smear him.

He’s a good opposition to Trumpism that’s oversaturated at the moment. Which will undoubtably and thankfully die out once he’s kicked out and a Democrat leader takes over the US because (sadly) trickle down politics affects the UK from the US.

A vast majority of people in politics and parties have agreed with the single sex space ban despite it having been proven to not work, believe that Palestine protests are terrorist uprisings and are pro-Israel (despite a massive public uprising), perpetuate the anti-immigrant sentiment to garner support because of a weirdly racist uprising in dilapidated and aren’t committed to climate change. These are THE biggest issues to the public currently and they’re all pretty much central or right leaning on them. So yeah sadly id say Polanski IS the only one with sense because he’s not scared to counteract the weird right wing views taking over the country. And he understands that austerity and trickle down politics is the real reason behind everything not immigrants, or trans people despite what people are blaming.
 

Probably a controversial option too but these current focal issues don’t ACTUALLY affect most working class areas. Majority white places complaining about immigrants for example is preposterous — when the closest they get to non-white people in towns and villages is workers in the local Chinese or convenience shop. Austerity from decades of multiple Tory governments since Thatcher is WHY working class areas are so dilapidated. As a person who has lived in both a small village and a big major uk city, the people in the small places complain about these issues BECAUSE of social media and the news but there’s barely any non-white, non-straight and non-cis people in them. I saw more diverse people in the first hour I lived in a city than the whole time I lived in the village I grew up in (22 years). I also had some of these narrow views because of my upbringing too. Living diversely makes you realise reality.
 

The amount of times even now my family now say to me am I not scared I’m going to get robbed, stabbed, assaulted by an immigrant or “Muslim” or black person BECAUSE I live in a city is astounding. People simply arent educated or experienced enough to understand real life I find. Living amongst these people you realise they are also affected by the same things WITH racism added on top of it. Once again Tory austerity, Thatcherism and Americanised trickle down politics are the real problems for working class people.

Which the Green Party is one of the only parties to talk about. Labour is NOT for the people anymore and hasn’t been since Blair prioritised Bush and Iraq over the country.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, gagzus said:

This is gonna be a long post but:

Track record nowadays means absolutely nothing because politicians are proven to change their views once in power or to garner support, especially centralists like Labour. Id rather have someone like Polanski who keeps his hard views the whole way.

I also completely disagree because Polanski is the only person who has brutally and honestly spoke about the climate crisis, has denounced Israel for their genocide, is LGBTQ+ himself and is opposed to the weird ”single sex” space bans that have happened, he believes we demonise immigrants too much (which we do) and talks about our colonial history that white people seem to shrug off whilst still acknowledging the good things we have done. He also believes we should be back in the European Union because of the costs it has caused us economically after leaving, and he is very much against Putin and Trump openly although he’s “willing to talk to them” despite their opposing views. He has hard left views yes but I believe he is what we NEED because we’re a western country we’re supposed to be a heavily liberal country.

He’s also the only politician leader who hasn’t changed his stance to immigration despite mounting pressure and public perception and ideology. Right wing views have been proven time and time again to fail especially in the western world. You also can tell he’s onto something since even “left” (read: centrist) wing media are constantly trying to smear him.

He’s a good opposition to Trumpism that’s oversaturated at the moment. Which will undoubtably and thankfully die out once he’s kicked out and a Democrat leader takes over the US because (sadly) trickle down politics affects the UK from the US.

A vast majority of people in politics and parties have agreed with the single sex space ban despite it having been proven to not work, believe that Palestine protests are terrorist uprisings and are pro-Israel (despite a massive public uprising), perpetuate the anti-immigrant sentiment to garner support because of a weirdly racist uprising in dilapidated and aren’t committed to climate change. These are THE biggest issues to the public currently and they’re all pretty much central or right leaning on them. So yeah sadly id say Polanski IS the only one with sense because he’s not scared to counteract the weird right wing views taking over the country. And he understands that austerity and trickle down politics is the real reason behind everything not immigrants, or trans people despite what people are blaming.
 

Probably a controversial option too but these current focal issues don’t ACTUALLY affect most working class areas. Majority white places complaining about immigrants for example is preposterous — when the closest they get to non-white people in towns and villages is workers in the local Chinese or convenience shop. Austerity from decades of multiple Tory governments since Thatcher is WHY working class areas are so dilapidated. As a person who has lived in both a small village and a big major uk city, the people in the small places complain about these issues BECAUSE of social media and the news but there’s barely any non-white, non-straight and non-cis people in them. I saw more diverse people in the first hour I lived in a city than the whole time I lived in the village I grew up in (22 years). I also had some of these narrow views because of my upbringing too. Living diversely makes you realise reality.
 

The amount of times even now my family now say to me am I not scared I’m going to get robbed, stabbed, assaulted by an immigrant or “Muslim” or black person BECAUSE I live in a city is astounding. People simply arent educated or experienced enough to understand real life I find. Living amongst these people you realise they are also affected by the same things WITH racism added on top of it. Once again Tory austerity, Thatcherism and Americanised trickle down politics are the real problems for working class people.

Which the Green Party is one of the only parties to talk about. Labour is NOT for the people anymore and hasn’t been since Blair prioritised Bush and Iraq over the country.

 

 

I think you’re making some fair points, particularly around austerity, the damage caused by years of underinvestment in public services, and the tendency for some politicians to scapegoat immigrants or minority groups instead of addressing deeper economic problems, I completely agree with that point. 

Where I disagree is the idea that Polanski is the only person with sense, or that everyone who disagrees with him is simply uninformed or influenced by social media. Politics is rarely that black and white.

For example, someone can support stronger action on climate change, oppose racism, support LGBTQ+ rights, and still have concerns about immigration levels, public service capacity, or aspects of Green Party policy. Those views aren’t automatically the result of ignorance or prejudice.

I’d also be careful about dismissing concerns from people in smaller towns and villages. Just because someone doesn’t live in a diverse city doesn’t mean their experiences or concerns aren’t genuine. Equally, living in a diverse city doesn’t automatically make someone’s political conclusions correct. Different people can experience the country differently and reach different conclusions in good faith.

I also think it’s a mistake to assume that media criticism proves someone is right. Every major politician claims they’re being unfairly attacked by the media at some point. The real test is whether their policies are practical, affordable and capable of winning enough public support to be implemented.

One area where I have a significant disagreement with the Greens is defence. While I understand the desire for diplomacy and reducing conflict, I don’t think this is the time for the UK to weaken its military capabilities or abandon the nuclear deterrent. With Russia’s aggression in Europe, growing tensions involving countries like China, and an increasingly unpredictable global security environment because of Trump and others, a credible defence posture is essential. The nuclear deterrent isn’t about wanting war; it’s about preventing it by making sure hostile states know the consequences of attacking us or our allies. Diplomacy works best when it’s backed by strength and deterrence.

I don’t think the choice is between “Polanski has all the answers” and “everyone else is right-wing.” Most voters sit somewhere in the middle. They want economic growth, functioning public services, action on climate change, controlled immigration, equality under the law, and competent government. The challenge is finding politicians who can balance all of those things, not just excel on one or two.

Edited June 20 by DopeEnigma

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5 hours ago, gagzus said:

To be honest it’s because the British public are (for lack of a better term) dumb as f*ck and don’t understand politics enough to know how trickle down from previous governments and how compromise works. We have shifted more Prime Ministers in the last 10 years because the cycle is the same. 
 

Potential PMs run based around popular topics/concerns of the public > Are voted in > realise they cannot actually do those things legally and stay prime minister > their followers lose confidence > the country doesn’t understand that absolutism isn’t possible > prime minister tries to do other things through back door policy they promised they would do, but realises they have to > public gets mad > they’re voted out or campaigned against under no confidence > repeat from the beginning.

It’s been a never ending cycle since austerity and Brexit in the 2010s.

Yeah I can see that Brexit fundamentally changed the UK.  It's the same as Trump winning in the US. All products of anger and division causing society to stall. 

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24 minutes ago, AsleepOnTheCeiling said:

Yeah I can see that Brexit fundamentally changed the UK.  It's the same as Trump winning in the US. All products of anger and division causing society to stall. 

It’s because the Reform leader Farage lied that we spend millions to billions of pounds a year via the NHS on immigrants and to the EU, since he’s been exposed for lying but people seem to forget that and don’t bring it up enough. He essentially started the already fiery culture war against immigrants in the UK and said THEY were the reason the health service in the country was bad.

Basically scapegoating.

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Starmer is set to resign on Monday and announce a timetable for his departure allowing time for his replacement to meet with the civil service and prepare to take over.

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Another fascist in the basket 

They are falling one after the another lol