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TheARTPOPball
3 hours ago, llemesm said:

Million Reason is one of Gaga worst songs, the lyrics and the message is incredibly toxic. You admit there are a million reasons to leave, yet you stay for a good one. Girl. 

I’ve always took this song as her indirectly talking about the music industry personified and wanting to quit music. 

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LateToCult

Girl, fvck that album. Damn near a decade later and Perfect Delusion is still her worst single. Million Reasons is also a sh*t ballad. But we won’t wake that up today. Still remember when the chainsmokers were talking mess about her music and Miss Girl sent them Ayo. Mama, that song was sh*t too! :icant:

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imogen2133

-It is her worst album still and should not have been made.

-It contains some of her most basic lyrics and melodies and the songs don't have much meaning outside of a few.(Grigio Girls, Joanne, Diamond Heart)

-The album doesn't have many songs that fit the family theme she was going for and it seemed like she didn't really have much of a concept idea for the album at all.

-She has made much better songs dedicated to people close to her on other albums (Speechless, The Edge Of Glory, Gypsy) and the ones on Joanne were weak.

-Gaga taking on the Joanne persona for the era was one of the strangest things she's ever done in her career and it came off more so as disrespectful towards her. She has tributed Joanne in better ways before also like saying her name during the prayer before going on stage or putting her poetry in The Fame booklet.

-Diamond Heart is one of the strongest songs on the album not just sonically but because the lyrics actually connect her difficult relationship with her dad/him being strict with her to Joanne's death and it has a strong familial meaning.

-There is nothing really Gaga esc about the album and the thing she's known for (campy lyrics, strange phrases, big grand theatrical production) are nowhere to be found.

-Her voice is really grating on some of the songs, painful to listen to and her pronunciation of a lot of words is strange.

-It is weird that she said this was her most personal album at the time because ARTPOP and Born This Way are way more personal and she never mentioned having a strong connection/being attracted to cowboys prior to the album or having a love for country music.

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Schwerk

Sinners Prayer is one of my favorite Gaga songs and it's a shame she never performs it.

According to Gaga I'm a ****ing rad bitch
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Schwerk
1 hour ago, imogen2133 said:

 

-It is weird that she said this was her most personal album at the time because ARTPOP and Born This Way are way more personal and she never mentioned having a strong connection/being attracted to cowboys prior to the album or having a love for country music.

I have to disagree with this, this album is very personal.

Diamond Heart - is 100% autobiographical and about her worth as an artist and human being. This line alone is one of her most personal ever: Some asshole broke me in, wrecked all my innocence.

Joanne - about the death of her aunt which resulted in deep rooted trauma in her dad especially, that ultimately effected Gaga too.

John Wayne - on how she keeps falling for the bad boys

Perfect Illusion - you can't fool me Gaga,this is about your breakup with Taylor

Million Reasons - about her breakup with Taylor and being in charge as a hardworking woman.

Sinner's Prayer - about her breakup with Taylor and a breakup before that. (I believe the baby sister she talks about is her younger self)

Grigio girls - a tribute to her sick friend

Just another day - a tribute to her NYC friends before fame.

 

 

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BloodyVelvet

- Perfect Illusion is not the worst lead, on the contrary

- Million Reasons is her best ballad 

- Diamond Heart is the best song of the album 

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Gorehound

This album was made in defeat of ARTPOP and Gaga's plunging public image; luke warm and baby proofed to hell to try make the GP of America like her again. It's a PR sonic identity crisis.

The song's aren't bad and all have good potential, but they are bland, uninteresting and undeveloped. Collaborating with the likes of Mark Ronsen, and with an endless catalogue of great singer-songwriters throughout music history to draw inspiration from, I expected this album to be WAY better. 

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imogen2133
36 minutes ago, Gorehound said:

This album was made in defeat of ARTPOP and Gaga's plunging public image; luke warm and baby proofed to hell to try make the GP of America like her again. It's a PR sonic identity crisis.

The song's aren't bad and all have good potential, but they are bland, uninteresting and undeveloped. Collaborating with the likes of Mark Ronsen, and with an endless catalogue of great singer-songwriters throughout music history to draw inspiration from, I expected this album to be WAY better. 

This 100% it was so obvious that the album was made as a response to the backlash she received during the ARTPOP era. It was really the first time in her career that she did something like that and really is something she said she would never do. (Make music to please the GP and not her fans) 

 

It's still so crazy to me how the same woman 2 years prior was being vomited on and screaming "**** you pop music this is ARTPOP" in the name of creative rebellion.

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Gorehound
3 hours ago, imogen2133 said:

This 100% it was so obvious that the album was made as a response to the backlash she received during the ARTPOP era. It was really the first time in her career that she did something like that and really is something she said she would never do. (Make music to please the GP and not her fans) 

 

It's still so crazy to me how the same woman 2 years prior was being vomited on and screaming "**** you pop music this is ARTPOP" in the name of creative rebellion.

Exactly. I mean, I'm not against her making an album that tones down her crazy Gaga image and taps more into contemporary singer-songwriter genres, but at least be daring and boldly authentic with it. Many critics mentioned this at the time (that she was merely "dipping her toe" into the style rather than fully embracing it). 

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Ladle Ghoulash
10 hours ago, nATAH said:

it's not toxic, it's real

to realise the people around you, be it friends, partners or family, are giving you every reason to say goodbye but you just want one good reason to stay is REAL. it's incredibly hard to say goodbye to something you love(d) so you're desperately finding a reason to stay which is how people get stuck in abusive cycles

she's a victim herself of abusive relationships so she's talking from experience 

Not to mention that I think the song is also about her relationship to fame and her public persona and I also lowkey think the song could be perceived as dealing with contemplating suicide and needing a good reason to stay alive.

We have forgotten our public MANNERS
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nATAH
2 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Not to mention that I think the song is also about her relationship to fame and her public persona and I also lowkey think the song could be perceived as dealing with contemplating suicide and needing a good reason to stay alive.

and to call it toxic just because she plainly talks about a very real experience, as if we're supposed to be living life like everything is sunshine and rainbows everyday :icant:

mother, what must i do?
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