Brigitte Bardot dies at 91

[elijahfan 26,763]

19 minutes ago, LunaUniverse said:

Quite interesting to read how you can be a vile racist (Too racist for even the French government mind you) and you get flowery language talking about your life because you do one good thing in life or are iconic enough but hey what do I know  I hate Charlie Kirk as much as anybody else and he can burn but the difference and bias in reaction here between this and that is apparent 

The only thing I wish for is the hope that her son can heal and live his life happily 

The interesting thing with her is that she was the face of progress during her acting years, conservatives absolutely hated her and what she was standing for. Unfortunately, she grew as a bitter old lady with dated views about society... But she did make a difference for women's and animal's rights through her lifetime, and hopefully that will remain her legacy.

[elijahfan 26,763]

2 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I mean, I think the lack of nuance comes more from people insisting that one outweighs the other. Both are true at the same time and the bad isn’t excused by the good, nor is the good fully outweighed by the bad. 

I will only speak for myself here, but there's not one post of mine in this thread that doesn't acknowledge what she became in later years. Truth is, what she stood for most of her life did make a positive impact on society and on many people's lives, especially women, and I'll respectfully choose to focus on that at this moment.

[Cavadour 2,545]

The mass media tends to judge harshly without nuance. This is not about weighing up the passionate animal rights activist who vehemently attacks the ancestral practices of certain cultures of slaughtering animals for food or to make coats. The comments are crude, and it is the manner of expression that is being called into question here. If we take a closer look at the situation and the comments, we immediately see that everyone is taking offense and crucifying anyone who takes a stand on the altar of propriety or decorum.

Brigitte Bardot used crude and violent language. Her temperament led her to react, to speak and act in the heat of the moment. Very undiplomatic, certainly. But if we read her words a little more closely, and especially the reasons why she expressed herself in a particular way, we often understand her intentions and what she meant to say better.

There will always be people who are quicker to take offense at what others say or do than to take any risk of exposing themselves by taking concrete action.

[LunaUniverse 4,162]

44 minutes ago, elijahfan said:

The interesting thing with her is that she was the face of progress during her acting years, conservatives absolutely hated her and what she was standing for. Unfortunately, she grew as a bitter old lady with dated views about society... But she did make a difference for women's and animal's rights through her lifetime, and hopefully that will remain her legacy.

Ok? I’m pointing out the hypocrisy between the deaths of other bigots on here that plenty of other users were gleeful to celebrate, but yet somehow this instance should be different, how and why? Also that argument doesn’t exactly hold up, there are plenty of women that have made their way through a male dominated field and still retain internalized misogyny.

I can acknowledge that she was successful career wise and the work she did for animals was beneficial yes, but she was a horrid person that falls into the common category of white people often caring more about animals above the rights of minorities. 

 

 

[Oriane 21,579]

2 hours ago, elijahfan said:

The interesting thing with her is that she was the face of progress during her acting years, conservatives absolutely hated her and what she was standing for. Unfortunately, she grew as a bitter old lady with dated views about society... But she did make a difference for women's and animal's rights through her lifetime, and hopefully that will remain her legacy.

I don't know, I already found sexist comments from her from the 70s...

[elijahfan 26,763]

25 minutes ago, Oriane said:

I don't know, I already found sexist comments from her from the 70s...

You found sexist comments from the 70s? How shocking.

[alsemanche 95,049]

I cant with this debate, she's a racist piece of shit and y'all want to talk about nuances because she's an 'icon' who loved animals?  She's  a bigot and her death does not change that, just like any other bigot's death doesn't change their being trash people

[Kayi 2,825]

Rip BB

[elijahfan 26,763]

28 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

I cant with this debate, she's a racist piece of **** and y'all want to talk about nuances because she's an 'icon' who loved animals?  She's  a bigot and her death does not change that, just like any other bigot's death doesn't change their being trash people

I don't pretend to have known her personally, so I don't know what her life experience was that lead her to that point. What I know about is the concrete actions she took to make a positive change around her through the majority of her life.

Good luck living a life with no unpopular opinions, no mistakes, no bad decisions. We're all babies judging someone who's almost existed for a century - let's reach the same point, look back at our own lives and then judge.

[Ladle Ghoulash 31,768]

2 hours ago, Cavadour said:

The mass media tends to judge harshly without nuance. This is not about weighing up the passionate animal rights activist who vehemently attacks the ancestral practices of certain cultures of slaughtering animals for food or to make coats. The comments are crude, and it is the manner of expression that is being called into question here. If we take a closer look at the situation and the comments, we immediately see that everyone is taking offense and crucifying anyone who takes a stand on the altar of propriety or decorum.

Brigitte Bardot used crude and violent language. Her temperament led her to react, to speak and act in the heat of the moment. Very undiplomatic, certainly. But if we read her words a little more closely, and especially the reasons why she expressed herself in a particular way, we often understand her intentions and what she meant to say better.

There will always be people who are quicker to take offense at what others say or do than to take any risk of exposing themselves by taking concrete action.

Eh, I see that angle specifically on the comments about animal sacrifice, but there’s basically no justification for her saying that women coming forward during the MeToo movement was “ridiculous,” insinuating that many women who were sexually abused in Hollywood were asking for it, and calling gay and trans people “fairground freaks.” I’m not saying that that makes her a bad person wholesale, but I also think it’s not very nuanced to be unwilling to just acknowledge that there were instances were she may have just been wrong, instead of trying to retrofit a justification onto it. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Ladle Ghoulash

[Sarah H 3,878]

She was nasty. Her poor son, she made some terrible comments about him too, as well as rejecting him. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sarah H

[ALGAYDO 33,740]

She was racist and homophobic, but she was sexy and liked animals so that makes the racism and homophobia okay? lol rest in piss

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 27,733]

She was beautiful and had balls.

She wasn’t a talent and wasn’t here for the human race, but I’m sure the sea lions will remember her.

Edited 1 hour ago by AVeryGagaHolyDick

[Oriane 21,579]

2 hours ago, elijahfan said:

You found sexist comments from the 70s? How shocking.

Very inspiring for generations of women, I'm sure.