Louvre Museum Shuts Down, Blames Over Tourism

[Juanlittlem 49,624]

53 minutes ago, AyeshaErotica said:

That must be Teneriffe.

YOUR nature,  YOUR island?

Tenerife is a stolen island. It is historically African, geographically African. The Spanish slaughtered the Guanches and took possession of the island, populated it with Spaniards, and never returned it.

The islands have a climate that's unique in the world, and there should be no restrictions on access so that all of humanity can theoretically enjoy them. Since space is limited not all of humanity will, there are advantages and disadvantages that arise from mass tourism. Some people know it's crowded and avoid flying there because of it, while others are fine with it. It's the individual traveler's decision.

Wikipedia also clearly shows that Tenerife's population has increased by 400% over the last 100 years because tourism has created new job opportunities for the population and attracted new people from elsewhere, while in Spain as a whole, the population has "only" increased by 130%. The majority of the Canarian population are now "tourism-related descendants"  and even back then, everything is relative, it qualified for mass tourism. The majority of the local people are equally part of the masstourism-system, and if they blame it, they will have to blame themselves and their ancestors, too.

And, by the way, the local Canarians themselves are destroying the global environment more than the average foreign tourists do. There's a lot of island hopping, with local Tenerife residents often flying to Lanzarote or Gran Canaria and other Canarian Islands to visit friends or for some service offered on the other islands, and they often fly back and forth to continental Spain and sometimes Latin America. They are mini Katy Perrys. Local residents of the Canary Islands frequently utilize air travel to navigate between the islands and to visit the Spanish mainland. This is facilitated by the frequent daily flights offered by airlines like Binter Canarias and Canaryfly. The short flight times, often under an hour, make island hopping relatively easy. 

 

"After the commencement of the Spanish conquest of the Canaries, starting in the early 15th century, many natives were outright killed by the Spanish or died of exposure to new pathogens during the social disruption.[2][3][1] Eventually, any remaining survivors were assimilated into the new Spanish population and associated culture.[4] Elements of their original culture survive within Canarian customs and traditions, such as Silbo (the whistled language of La Gomera Island), as well as some lexicon of Canarian Spanish. Some scholars have classified the destruction of the Guanche people and culture as an example of colonial genocide.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches

"Historian and specialist in genocide studies Mohamed Adhikari published an article in 2017 analysing the settler colonial history of the Canary Islands as a case of genocide,[39] saying that the Canary Islands were the scene of "Europe's first overseas settler colonial genocide," and that the mass killing and enslavement of natives, along with forced deportation, sexual violence and confiscation of land and children constituted an attempt to "destroy in whole" the Guanche people.[40][38] The tactics used in the Canary Islands in the 15th century served as a model for the Iberian colonisation of the Americas."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Canary_Islands

You know its still our islands, right? Lots of us have guanche surnames. Spain might have conquered the islands and claimed them as spanish, but we still come from the guanches.

Of course we use boats and planes to travel, do you want us to go swimming or what? Im not complaining about travels, Im complaining about the shitty tourism that crosses prohibited areas, those who ride bikes in protected lands, those who just buy houses to rent them for a price that no resident will be able to pay making our rent prices higher and are contributing to the construction or more hotels that destroy species in danger.

Dont try to come lecture me about my islands and why we are protesting with a Wikipedia article.

 

[elijahfan 27,557]

14 hours ago, Gagaism said:

Barcelona begs to differ tho 

here’s the difference, when you’re protesting for companies internal issues it’s fine and it’s right to do so. 
But then you see what’s happening in Barcelona, the atmosphere seems different as most people are out there chanting things like “go home” and other similar stuff which lead the thoughts for a social/political agenda which is not the ideal.

Issues in regards to AirBnB and housing are clearly simply because of money and those should be addressed to governments and city leaders, it doesn’t make sense to take the blame purely on tourists when they’re mostly responsible on helping local economies if anything.

People tend to get things twisted easily just for convenience and given the current world situation on that matter, everything gets way more sensitive. We can’t just address such specific issues and take them politically just for the sake of individual preferences so that way we can still fight for our right conscious and most importantly without relying on biases just for convenience. 

I don’t know about Barcelona or any other place, I’m literally just talking about what’s happening with the Louvre.

[lastpopicon 37,312]

6 hours ago, Juanlittlem said:

So your mentality is "its always been like that so we wont change it"? 

Hell no, the battles we're fighting are not against tourists, but massive and irresponsible tourism. 

I live in an island that is only 2.000km², with a ~900k population. Yet this past year tourists visits reached 18M. The whole of the UK is 243.000 km² and they got 40M. 

Can you imagine how such a small island will suffer from 18M people? They keep destroying our nature, our cities and our island and trust me I wont sit down and watch, even if that bothers regular class working people. Maybe they should ask and try to understand why we are protesting.

i feel like I'm a part of the problem lmao  

The Spanish islands are sooo good, I've been to Fuerteventura, tenerife and Maiorca (pre covid), in some ways it's even better than places like cuba and the dominican republic and much better than tunisia (which i also visited in the past) but i'm Portuguese so I almost pass as a spanish with some luck.  

And the funniest thing, i've never been to madeira or azores 

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

6 hours ago, Juanlittlem said:

You know its still our islands, right? Lots of us have guanche surnames. Spain might have conquered the islands and claimed them as spanish, but we still come from the guanches.

Of course we use boats and planes to travel, do you want us to go swimming or what? Im not complaining about travels, Im complaining about the shitty tourism that crosses prohibited areas, those who ride bikes in protected lands, those who just buy houses to rent them for a price that no resident will be able to pay making our rent prices higher and are contributing to the construction or more hotels that destroy species in danger.

Dont try to come lecture me about my islands and why we are protesting with a Wikipedia article.

 

Politically, it belongs locally to the parties that receive the most votes that represent the population, still they have to obey laws made by Madrid and Brussels.

You can do all that just like anybody else does, too, but I think the islands should be equally accessible to mass tourists and not limited by locals for selfish reasons. The Canary Islands are regularly voted among the places with the best climate in the world; of course, there will be mass tourism there, and it will increase because the island is gearing itself towards it. It is not reprehensible if humanity shows an interest in the world's best climate.

Only 16%-31% of the inhabitants of the Canary Islands are descendants of the Guanches; 62%-78% are descended from Europeans (usually Spaniards) and are not native to these islands. This is the vast majority; after all, Spain exterminated most of the Guanches and colonized them with its settlers from the mainland.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249179330_The_Origin_of_the_Canary_Island_Aborigines_and_Their_Contribution_to_the_Modern_Population_A_Molecular_Genetics_Perspective

https://www.sci.news/genetics/north-african-origin-guanches-05369.html#:~:text=The scientists were also able to provide,co-author Dr. Torsten Günther%2C from Uppsala University.

The 900,000 inhabitants of Tenerife have also built houses for themselves or rent houses that were once home to animal species that are now endangered. As you said, Tenerife is only 2,000 km² in size, and the inhabitants themselves have already destroyed most of the historical animals' habitat, including flora.

The inhabitants of the Canary Islands often travel by ferries and boats, and the sound waves from the watercraft interfere with the sensitive echolocation systems of dolphins and whales, endangering their habitat, too.

A considerable number of Tenerife's inhabitants also rent to foreigners; it's not only foreigners who buy&rent things. Some local residents with capital also profit from this. It's not just local population versus mass tourism but capital-owners versus less-capital-owerns.

Most of the Canary Islands' inhabitants have themselves immigrated over the decades and have driven up housing prices for the general public, as the islands' land area is limited. The lower-class people were the first to feel it, now it affects middle-class, too.

Some now want to blame this on mass tourists, who also want to benefit from the climate. This is selfish and shows a certain resentment towards mass tourists, even though they all bear equal responsibility.

Tourists usually only stay for 1-3 weeks, while residents of the Canary Islands stay for 45 weeks or more. 18 million tourists, 7 million of them on Tenerife, and the Canary Islands have a total population of 2,3 million. That's 8 tourists per inhabitant. Residents generally live there year-round, while tourists only come for up to 3 weeks. Some locals also illegally dump garbage and don't comply with environmental regulations and because they are there all-year they have equally bad effects.

The Canary Islands are known worldwide for their climate, but also for their exceptionally high youth unemployment, which has declined somewhat in recent years but is still high by Western standards.

Without mass tourism, youth unemployment would rise massively, the islands would experience an economic crisis, and people would migrate en masse to mainland Spain or elsewhere, where, ironically, they would likely re-enter the mainland's tourism sector and displace local species there. The 900,000 inhabitants are completely geared towards mass tourism, which cannot be reduced to "normal level tourism" without reducing the population or shifting to other jobs which is unlikely.

These people, hundreds of thousands on Tenerife, hundreds of thousands on Gran Canaria, live off mass tourism. If we were to switch from mass tourism to "normal level tourism", hundreds of thousands would be unemployed or earn less money. People would become dissatisfied, protest, and possibly emigrate. It's rather unlikely that they would be able to switch to other non-tourism jobs en masse; that's not the case on the other similar islands either.

I assume you don't work in the tourism sector, directly or indirectly, or you do and are frustrated, because most of the Canarians who work in it recognize that mass tourism is their income and they accept the disadvantages in exchange for the advantages. Either way, people will protest. People who are annoyed by mass tourism will protest, as will people if anti-mass tourism measures are introduced (unlikely) that would make them unemployed.

The island is now geared precisely for mass tourism, and the islands cannot cope with a reduction without an economic crisis. A regression is hardly possible; hundreds of thousands of additional jobs have been created in the mass tourism sector that would not exist in "normal-level-tourism".

 

 

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

6 hours ago, lastpopicon said:

i feel like I'm a part of the problem lmao  

The Spanish islands are sooo good, I've been to Fuerteventura, tenerife and Maiorca (pre covid), in some ways it's even better than places like cuba and the dominican republic and much better than tunisia (which i also visited in the past) but i'm Portuguese so I almost pass as a spanish with some luck.  

And the funniest thing, i've never been to madeira or azores 

You absolutely don't have to feel guilty [except for the airplane flight, which is problematic for everyone who does it but I don't condemn you].  You were invited. The Canary Islands residents wanted you to come and bring your money. You gave them your money. It was a fair trade.

If someone was born into the dreariness of the Soviet Union architecture, why should that person be denied the right to visit particularly beautiful places for a few weeks a year?

And universally unique landscapes can from a moral point of view be visited by humanity without restrictions. Don't forget that the local Canarian population is so large precisely because of mass tourism!

Their residents also fly somewhere where they are also mass tourists elsewhere. Everyone is a mass tourist somewhere. It is fair! At the latest at every pop concert!

I also think that Tenerife and Gran Canaria are more exciting than Madeira, and awesome. Tenerife and Gran Canaria have about a million inhabitants, a real big city/urban area, while Madeira's "big city" isn't that big. They offer a lot of urban and rural things, and are well-balanced. Madeira gets boring too quickly.

I love Gran Canaria! I have no experience with Tenerife so far, because I do not like the very high mountain there and Gran Canaria has vast beaches. Ultimately, the bigger islands are the best.

Don't let others dictate or limit your vacation; others just want to have the beauty of the islands for themselves; one has to share!

Don't let anyone convince you that this is so terribly unecological. Like all of us, you've probably been in a cramped hotel room in a tightly built hotel that was built vertically, which is more ecological than building a low-rise hotel that stretches out. The buildings in the Canary Islands are even more efficient than elsewhere. The hotels are used by many guests and aren't "empty Olympic stadiums blocking space after Olympics."

Successful attempts to reduce mass tourism (I don't think they will be successful, but who knows) will ultimately only lead to the following result: Instead, the focus will be on "luxury tourism," which only richer people can afford, and individuals would then take up more space. The masstourism is much better than the "luxury tourism option" because it gives equal chances for people to vist the islands.

Mass tourism gives people who are otherwise only used to cold and darkness a change of scenery at affordable prices, and the right to choose a location is an important right. We share the beauty and likewise the Canarian islands residents can enjoy beauty in other masstourist-places, too. It's fair.

[Juanlittlem 49,624]

5 hours ago, AyeshaErotica said:

Politically, it belongs locally to the parties that receive the most votes that represent the population, still they have to obey laws made by Madrid and Brussels.

You can do all that just like anybody else does, too, but I think the islands should be equally accessible to mass tourists and not limited by locals for selfish reasons. The Canary Islands are regularly voted among the places with the best climate in the world; of course, there will be mass tourism there, and it will increase because the island is gearing itself towards it. It is not reprehensible if humanity shows an interest in the world's best climate.

Only 16%-31% of the inhabitants of the Canary Islands are descendants of the Guanches; 62%-78% are descended from Europeans (usually Spaniards) and are not native to these islands. This is the vast majority; after all, Spain exterminated most of the Guanches and colonized them with its settlers from the mainland.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/249179330_The_Origin_of_the_Canary_Island_Aborigines_and_Their_Contribution_to_the_Modern_Population_A_Molecular_Genetics_Perspective

https://www.sci.news/genetics/north-african-origin-guanches-05369.html#:~:text=The scientists were also able to provide,co-author Dr. Torsten Günther%2C from Uppsala University.

The 900,000 inhabitants of Tenerife have also built houses for themselves or rent houses that were once home to animal species that are now endangered. As you said, Tenerife is only 2,000 km² in size, and the inhabitants themselves have already destroyed most of the historical animals' habitat, including flora.

The inhabitants of the Canary Islands often travel by ferries and boats, and the sound waves from the watercraft interfere with the sensitive echolocation systems of dolphins and whales, endangering their habitat, too.

A considerable number of Tenerife's inhabitants also rent to foreigners; it's not only foreigners who buy&rent things. Some local residents with capital also profit from this. It's not just local population versus mass tourism but capital-owners versus less-capital-owerns.

Most of the Canary Islands' inhabitants have themselves immigrated over the decades and have driven up housing prices for the general public, as the islands' land area is limited. The lower-class people were the first to feel it, now it affects middle-class, too.

Some now want to blame this on mass tourists, who also want to benefit from the climate. This is selfish and shows a certain resentment towards mass tourists, even though they all bear equal responsibility.

Tourists usually only stay for 1-3 weeks, while residents of the Canary Islands stay for 45 weeks or more. 18 million tourists, 7 million of them on Tenerife, and the Canary Islands have a total population of 2,3 million. That's 8 tourists per inhabitant. Residents generally live there year-round, while tourists only come for up to 3 weeks. Some locals also illegally dump garbage and don't comply with environmental regulations and because they are there all-year they have equally bad effects.

The Canary Islands are known worldwide for their climate, but also for their exceptionally high youth unemployment, which has declined somewhat in recent years but is still high by Western standards.

Without mass tourism, youth unemployment would rise massively, the islands would experience an economic crisis, and people would migrate en masse to mainland Spain or elsewhere, where, ironically, they would likely re-enter the mainland's tourism sector and displace local species there. The 900,000 inhabitants are completely geared towards mass tourism, which cannot be reduced to "normal level tourism" without reducing the population or shifting to other jobs which is unlikely.

These people, hundreds of thousands on Tenerife, hundreds of thousands on Gran Canaria, live off mass tourism. If we were to switch from mass tourism to "normal level tourism", hundreds of thousands would be unemployed or earn less money. People would become dissatisfied, protest, and possibly emigrate. It's rather unlikely that they would be able to switch to other non-tourism jobs en masse; that's not the case on the other similar islands either.

I assume you don't work in the tourism sector, directly or indirectly, or you do and are frustrated, because most of the Canarians who work in it recognize that mass tourism is their income and they accept the disadvantages in exchange for the advantages. Either way, people will protest. People who are annoyed by mass tourism will protest, as will people if anti-mass tourism measures are introduced (unlikely) that would make them unemployed.

The island is now geared precisely for mass tourism, and the islands cannot cope with a reduction without an economic crisis. A regression is hardly possible; hundreds of thousands of additional jobs have been created in the mass tourism sector that would not exist in "normal-level-tourism".

 

 

Lmao Im not reading all that babe, you aint lecturing me about how we feel about tourism when Im the one experiencing it. 

You're just the type of tourist we dont want here and trust me, we will keep fighting to get what we want.

[Ayesha Erotica 1,963]

12 hours ago, Juanlittlem said:

Lmao Im not reading all that babe, you aint lecturing me about how we feel about tourism when Im the one experiencing it. 

You're just the type of tourist we dont want here and trust me, we will keep fighting to get what we want.

You are the ignorant and arrogant type of user who feels superior to other opinions. That's not OK.

By the way, you are a minority and in no way representative of the majority of Canarians and you think I am stupid and that I don't know that. The majority of Canarians want me on their islands because I pay them their income from the hotel and restaurants and other service, and it's a fair exchange. They even invited me back when I left the hotel and I am welcome there, just as other tourists are, too. And we won't let people like you spoil our fun or dictate our vacation. And you won't stop me from coming to Gran Canaria in future again.

And by the way, these people in the tourism sector don't like people like you either, because you endanger their livelihood. Don't act like it's "you islanders" versus "mass tourists" because the majority of local population does NOT share your resentment-ful worldview.

I don't care about your hyporcrite hateful opinion towards strangers, with resentments against mass tourists which is borderline nationalist-protectionist 

I am in favor of sharing the islands for all, everyone is welcome  And I would also like to say that most local Canarian people are nice to tourists and we value each other and do not have hateful resentments as the quoted user has. No GagaDaily user should feel demotivated to visit the islands after that user complained.

Blaming mass tourists for destroying "your"  island is dehumanizing and hypocritical, because the islanders themselves make cross-island flights more often than the tourists themselves and equally contribute to it, and their ferries disturb dolpins and whales, and are mass tourists elsewhere, too, and they make money from mass tourism.

Putin is destroying Ukraine and making it poor. The mass tourists aren't destroying Tenerife, they are contributing to its richness and avaibility of multiple services.

And the island does NOT BELONG to you any more than it does to people who support mass tourism, not dor it belong to you any more than it belongs to me when I am on vacation there. It also belongs to tourists, too. The define the feeling of the island and are everywhere and they made the islands rich in first place. The island is not your private possession. Only your apartment belongs really to you and you vote is just one of 2 million.

The biggest irony of all of this is, you complain so much about Isráel, while you are yourself living on an occupied stolen island on real African territory under Spanish colonialism - Mallorca is on European territory, while the Canarian Islands are in Africa - , trying to limit access to foreigerns!  And then you are spreading fake news that the majority of Canarian islands resident come from Guanches, which a quick internet research refutes! The majority of Guanches was killed by Spaniards during colonialism.

Everyone shall have a chance to see the beauty of the Canarian islands , uninterrupted by selfish people who just want to pay lower rents.

It is totally normal that the islands with the best climate in the world will have mass tourism and it is selfish for those some people who want to keep it for themselves.

And if you don't read this, fine, it's important to me that other GagaDaily users read this and find out how hypcrite your opinion is and that it's not as one-sided as you describe.

Don't speak or act as if these islands are yours. They are not, there are commonly shared.

The democratically elected government of the Canary Islands continues to welcome mass tourists and supports hotels, restaurants and local traders. With the tax revenue from mass tourism, the local government finances, among other things, turtle rescue programs and several social programs for people in need [who would be even poorer without mass tourism]. Islands with "normal tourism" can't often afford such things. It's not all one-sidedly negative.

And you can't prevent it anyway. EU law allows every EU citizen to travel to the Canary Islands, live there, buy property there, use hotel services there, and offer services there. The politicians who stir up hatred and discord against mass tourism don't have any effective legal solutions anyway, and they're only doing it to fish for votes cheaply.