27monster27 11,843 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 2 hours ago, SpadesToStart said: Hope we somehow get to hear this song live again one day (I’m not holding my breath lol ) 1 hour ago, Starmie25 said: She could bring Christina for the remix version at Coachella now that'd be dope. It's a shame because this song has an extremely strong meaning that resonates even to this day. Critics in 2012 realized that they couldn't stop her mind or her heart, so they used her body to fat shame her. The meaning is really strong and resonates great, but it got ruined by the R Kelly feature. I mean, there have been arguments that Lady Gaga intentionally used him to show just how predatory the music industry is by representing it through a renowned predator. Using R Kelly is still fvcked up though, and there was definitely a better way to go about it than using him. he/him/his 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atemybrain 1,830 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Hate to say it considering the circumstances, but this is the best song on ARTPOP and at least top 10 in her discography. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugoJG 1,087 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Pre-chorus melody was so good, I hate how she sang it live Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fame Monster 3,986 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I just realized I had completely forgotten this song existed. I haven’t heard it since it was removed from the album in 2019. Find your freedom in the music 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachinko 10,114 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 But where is the music video Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfonso 1,436 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 One of her best songs ever. Please bring it back gaga, I need to experience it live at least once on my life. You can remix it with The Weeknd or idk.. Anyways, I never understood how she didn't film the London shows as it's the city where she first performed ARTPOP at and she did 3 sold out shows. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 15,158 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 5 hours ago, 27monster27 said: It's a shame because this song has an extremely strong meaning that resonates even to this day. Critics in 2012 realized that they couldn't stop her mind or her heart, so they used her body to fat shame her. The meaning is really strong and resonates great, but it got ruined by the R Kelly feature. I mean, there have been arguments that Lady Gaga intentionally used him to show just how predatory the music industry is by representing it through a renowned predator. Using R Kelly is still fvcked up though, and there was definitely a better way to go about it than using him. Nah the truth just is she and Tara were MASSIVE R Kelly fans back in 2012 and she found out DJWS knew his team so used the connection plus she even said back then she didn’t believe he was a predator and wanted him on the song BECAUSE she didn’t think he was. Back in the day she lived in Chicago with Taylor and was into Chicago trap and R&B at the time. In reality she just made poor choices and judgements and then R Kelly and Terry turned out to be predatory. it’s notoriously known she wanted a LOT more Trap and R&B on the album, hence why she worked with Kendrick, R Kelly, Azealia Banks, TLC, J-Pop producers (bc back then J-Pop was heavily influenced by Trap). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 15,158 Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 Can we also talk about how back in the day TMZ lied about having the DWUW video and their description of it. Because all the footage they showed us was actually used in the BTS footage that was part of the package with BitTorrent. Nobody has ever seen the full video. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
27monster27 11,843 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 33 minutes ago, gagzus said: Nah the truth just is she and Tara were MASSIVE R Kelly fans back in 2012 and she found out DJWS knew his team so used the connection plus she even said back then she didn’t believe he was a predator and wanted him on the song BECAUSE she didn’t think he was. Back in the day she lived in Chicago with Taylor and was into Chicago trap and R&B at the time. In reality she just made poor choices and judgements and then R Kelly and Terry turned out to be predatory. it’s notoriously known she wanted a LOT more Trap and R&B on the album, hence why she worked with Kendrick, R Kelly, Azealia Banks, TLC, J-Pop producers (bc back then J-Pop was heavily influenced by Trap). I knew she wanted more trap but I never knew she liked R Kelly THAT much. I was hoping the not believing his accusations thing was character play, but it seems like she really was obsessed with him. Thankfully she changed this behavior, but now a part of her music has been forever tainted by it. he/him/his Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 9,989 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Hope the BTWB footage leaks someday 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 14,910 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, gagzus said: bc back then J-Pop was heavily influenced by Trap). It was? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starmie25 14,910 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, Alfonso said: You can remix it with The Weeknd or Not the weeknd. He's too whiny Get Miguel or Luke James. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 15,158 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 7 hours ago, andy232000 said: Hope the BTWB footage leaks someday I mean we have the full show from Chile online if that counts Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 15,158 Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 7 hours ago, Starmie25 said: It was? I think I’m probably thinking K-Pop my bad sorry. 10 hours ago, 27monster27 said: I knew she wanted more trap but I never knew she liked R Kelly THAT much. I was hoping the not believing his accusations thing was character play, but it seems like she really was obsessed with him. Thankfully she changed this behavior, but now a part of her music has been forever tainted by it. Tara loved R Kelly and had been a fan since the 90s I believe. She introduced Gaga to his music and I think that’s when Gaga started taking his side over his legal issues. Her exact quote in an interview is “he’s had some pretty untrue things written about him in the press too” when explaining DWUW’s origins. It was definitely not character play, she genuinely liked him and believed him I think. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 9,989 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 On 1/5/2025 at 4:40 AM, gagzus said: I mean we have the full show from Chile online if that counts It doesnt with that quality lol. Plus it was recorded by a fan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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