Bradley 57,510 Posted December 17 Author Share Posted December 17 1 hour ago, faysalaaa said: Yeah because thats the target audience the movie is marketing to And the normies going to the movie are also expecting a typical action Batman movie No they weren't expecting that. The first Joker wasn't an action film and was a huge success, grossing over $1 billion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpadesToStart 2,696 Posted December 17 Share Posted December 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, faysalaaa said: Yeah because thats the target audience the movie is marketing to And the normies going to the movie are also expecting a typical action Batman movie I am arguing that the people that actually saw JFAD are not a representative slice of the population, which was why the reaction to it was so skewed. Not that many “normies” ultimately made it out to the theater to see it because all the Joker incels ranted about how bad it was and scared them off. While the incel bros were a reliable demographic for the movie, it wasn’t the sole target demographic. Warner Bros clearly wanted/expected a wide swath of adults to see the movie based on their marketing campaign; also bear in mind that the first Joker didn’t make $1 billion by solely comic book nerds seeing it. All that to say, the dislike for the movie overwhelmingly originated from a specific group of people that saw it, which in turn scared off a more varied audience from experiencing it…which in turn prevented a more favorable and balanced opinion of the movie from manifesting. Your original statement implies that the movie is just bad and additional opinions as more folks see it are unlikely to move the needle of public opinion, while I think that is patently untrue for the reasons I elaborated on above. Edited December 17 by SpadesToStart 5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 3,084 Posted December 17 Share Posted December 17 42 minutes ago, Bradley said: No they weren't expecting that. The first Joker wasn't an action film and was a huge success, grossing over $1 billion. The original Joker was still a typical action Batman movie, but it went dark and psychological, but its still a typical action Batman movie. The new Joker is an artistic musical created for the wrong audience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 3,084 Posted December 17 Share Posted December 17 (edited) 52 minutes ago, SpadesToStart said: I am arguing that the people that actually saw JFAD are not a representative slice of the population, which was why the reaction to it was so skewed. Not that many “normies” ultimately made it out to the theater to see it because all the Joker incels ranted about how bad it was and scared them off. While the incel bros were a reliable demographic for the movie, it wasn’t the sole target demographic. Warner Bros clearly wanted/expected a wide swath of adults to see the movie based on their marketing campaign; also bear in mind that the first Joker didn’t make $1 billion by solely comic book nerds seeing it. All that to say, the dislike for the movie overwhelmingly originated from a specific group of people that saw it, which in turn scared off a more varied audience from experiencing it…which in turn prevented a more favorable and balanced opinion of the movie from manifesting. Your original statement implies that the movie is just bad and additional opinions as more folks see it are unlikely to move the needle of public opinion, while I think that is patently untrue for the reasons I elaborated on above. Yes I think most people will hate the movie regardless of the impact of incels. Even if it was targeted to the right audience, I dont think the movie was done good. I personally enjoyed it because of the message, but I dont think it was done good, I barely enjoyed it. Edited December 17 by faysalaaa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 57,510 Posted December 17 Author Share Posted December 17 11 minutes ago, faysalaaa said: Yes I think most people will hate the movie regardless of the impact of incels. Even if it was targeted to the right audience, I dont think the movie was done good. I personally enjoyed it because of the message, but I dont think it was done good, I barely enjoyed it. Well, HBO Max is saying 'Decide for yourself,' so let's let the GP do that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley 57,510 Posted December 17 Author Share Posted December 17 20 minutes ago, faysalaaa said: The original Joker was still a typical action Batman movie. It wasn't an action film by any means. I don't think you're using the term action right here tbf. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lextyr97 19,058 Posted December 17 Share Posted December 17 Just finished. It was so overhated Jesus lol I have my issues with it but it was nowhere even close to as bad as people made it out to be 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisGuyTony 29,293 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 I just don’t want this to start another Gaga hate train You can see how hard she’s been working to move on past the JFAD bombing 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Vela 2,514 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 (edited) overhated? yes still not good? yes I think the movie was pretty good at the beginning but then it got redundant and when you thought you gonna get something interesting, they do an awful and unnecesary SA scene and everything goes downhill in the worst way... I've seen 2 fan edits of the entire movie that fix the plot way better (one of them ended with the rooftop fantasy scene and it is a great ide imo) BTW i've seen much better opinions on the scenes posted on youtube, facebook, etc. Like the people who have watched for the first time now is not hating it at all. Edited December 18 by Omar Vela 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Flower 3,821 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 2 minutes ago, Omar Vela said: overhated? yes still not good? yes I think the movie was pretty good at the beginning but then it got redundant and when you thought you gonna get something interesting, they do an awful and unnecesary SA scene and everything goes downhill in the worst way... I've seen 2 fan edits of the entire movie that fix the plot way better (one of them ended with the rooftop fantasy scene and it is a great ide imo) I'm interested, where did you watch those edits? Drop it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 3,084 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 1 hour ago, Bradley said: Well, HBO Max is saying 'Decide for yourself,' so let's let the GP do that. Lets see as I personally enjoyed it, and I hope people would love movies like this, but I would not recommend it to anyone I know as I know they wont like it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Vela 2,514 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 43 minutes ago, Plastic Flower said: I'm interested, where did you watch those edits? Reddit, I'm looking forward to another one but the user who did it asks you to have the original copy (digital or BR) first and be level 10 on a forum, so im working on that. The other two guys i asked them on reddit and they send me the link with no problems. I could DM you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
63grekke 1,206 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 Definitely one of the worst sequels of all time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 42,885 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 9 hours ago, faysalaaa said: The original Joker was still a typical action Batman movie, but it went dark and psychological, but its still a typical action Batman movie. The new Joker is an artistic musical created for the wrong audience. girl no it wasn't have you actually watched a batman film? mother, what must i do? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 3,084 Posted December 18 Share Posted December 18 8 minutes ago, nATAH said: girl no it wasn't have you actually watched a batman film? I was thinking of the Dark Knight, not The Joker part 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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