Roughhouse Dandy 10,794 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 3 hours ago, JohnWayne92 said: It’s nothing to misunderstand - I understand everything about both films lol they are just bad I think Halloween Kills is the weak link in the trilogy tbh The plot shakeup in Halloween Ends to pay homage to Season of the Witch was brave and cool asf imo This is my Hannah Montana™️ lipgloss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 25,866 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, XxBones said: The last time I checked this was a Gaga fan site. I would assume that people come here that genuinely like the things she’s done and to talk with others that do too. Maybe there should be a Gaga Daily 2 for people that like her work and a Gaga Daily for those who don’t? Maybe you won’t be so bothered by it. You mean a Gagadaily 2 for people who are not delusional and can accept when a project that Gaga worked on wasn't that great. People didn't like the movie, critics didn't like the movie, half of LMs didn't like the movie, it's ok to admit it, I swear your life won't end if you admit something she worked on wasn't that great. When I read comments here and people say "the movie got an easy path for cult classic status", "people will get it in 10 years", I'm genuinely worried at how some people live in delusion and denial. Edited November 17, 2024 by Lucas 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoeMoe 1,242 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 Joker 2 was a mess What’s fortnight Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doroteyo 436 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 the OP is getting at the fact they like the *idea*; other people are panning the execution (lack of dynamic arcs, character depth, etc...). Both things can be true. However, few will go through the trouble of understanding an idea when the execution doesn't immediately hook them. This is the crucial difference between successful art and amateur art. @XxBones @JohnWayne92 @Roughhouse Dandy.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadArchitect 849 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 2 hours ago, Lucas said: You mean a Gagadaily 2 for people who are not delusional and can accept when a project that Gaga worked on wasn't that great. People didn't like the movie, critics didn't like the movie, half of LMs didn't like the movie, it's ok to admit it, I swear your life won't end if you admit something she worked on wasn't that great. When I read comments here and people say "the movie got an easy path for cult classic status", "people will get it in 10 years", I'm genuinely worried at how some people live in delusion and denial. gurl, to say that all people who enjoyed the movie and are also monsters (as much as half of them as you put it) are just deluding themselves into liking it and considering it cult classic material just because Gaga is on it is just so patronizing. Just let people enjoy and gush over the things they love, the critics and GP not liking it as a rating percentance is only a fact of general reception, not the quality of the piece at all, and to imply that all people who loved it are delusinal, LM or not, critit or not (cause yes a lot of them loved it too, including well respected people like Kojima, Tarantino, or Coppola) for also predicting a common ocurrence when films that are badly recepted at time of release then find their own audience that vindicates it and elevates it to cult classic status years later; that is delusional in itself, and just displays how people who talk like this dont understand the first thing abour art and really look at it as if it was sports, that is the real delusion here. 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
killme89 1,406 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 20 hours ago, XxBones said: I gave in and got Joker 2. I was watching some of it again last night and had a few thoughts: I honestly feel like Joker 2 is misunderstood and will be popular in the future. I think it is hated for a few understandable reasons, one being that it insults the fans of the first but also that the message was not widely understood. Or if it was understood, it was unexpected and not well received. I believe that the first movie was set out to show the mental illness of Joker and that society should not ignore and deal with it before it becomes bad. What ended up happening was people celebrated Joker at his worst and neglecting why he became this way and the messages of the first movie. Joker 2 in a way is meta to this message as the beginning cartoon points this out. People cheering Joker on but neglecting the mental illness. Gaga’s character Harlequin also represents these fans because she is this rich, educated girl who likes Joker so much she fakes her mental illness to be in the same asylum as Joker. She ends up finding out he isn’t this amazing Joker persona she thought he was and leaves him. This represents what is basically happening in real life. The fans want Joker so bad that they find out he isn’t Joker, but Arthur Fleck, and they hate it. Joker himself starts to realize this fact. This is why he sings “but he’s only funny by mistake” and “they don’t see his lonely heart break”. A song about realizing people only love him for being Joker even though he struggles. Lady Gaga confirms this with her song “Happy Mistake”. Although Gaga has talked about this song and related to it personally, it is also on the movie companion album and relates to the movie. The song basically talks about celebrating something that shouldn’t necessarily be celebrated. The lyrics “cheering on a scene absurd” and “I could try to hide behind the makeup, but the show must go on” speak to the fact that even when someone is struggling, even as a performer, people care more about that than the person inside. It’s understandable why this movie is hated because it really is a big F you to the Joker fans of the first, forcing them to see a reality they don’t want or care to see. But it also sticks to its morals that we shouldn’t ignore mental illness. For this reason, it makes sense why Gaga wanted to be a part of this project because she has advocated for this cause. I think in the future, when there have been endless amounts of cookie-cutter villain movies or people fear how badly mental illness can lead someone, people will crave a movie representing that, and Joker 2 will come back. Shortened pop translation: Joker 2 is ARTPOP and will be appreciated and understood later. The “music not the bling” message was not understood, and the executives of the album hated it because they didn’t like being criticized and don’t care about the music; they want the bling. I’m still convinced to this day that most Gaga fans are Lee .. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTea 5,600 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 21 hours ago, Borisapillar said: Hi! So unfortunately it’s just bad Except it's not. Hope this helps! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxBones 1,177 Posted November 17, 2024 Author Share Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) 6 hours ago, Lucas said: You mean a Gagadaily 2 for people who are not delusional and can accept when a project that Gaga worked on wasn't that great. People didn't like the movie, critics didn't like the movie, half of LMs didn't like the movie, it's ok to admit it, I swear your life won't end if you admit something she worked on wasn't that great. When I read comments here and people say "the movie got an easy path for cult classic status", "people will get it in 10 years", I'm genuinely worried at how some people live in delusion and denial. It’s one thing to disagree, but to invalidate others’ opinions because you say others didn’t like it so now you think everyone shouldn’t like it? The only reasons you listed involved other people not liking it. I at least respect the others on this thread saying why they didn’t like it from what was in the movie. You are the only one insulting fans by using what others think. Some of those people hate on it and have never even seen the movie. To me, that’s crazy. Not all of us create our opinions based on following the crowd. I saw the movie before all the critics and hate, and I liked the movie. Am I supposed to change my opinion because you said so? No thanks. Edited November 17, 2024 by XxBones 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWayne92 2,148 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 10 hours ago, Roughhouse Dandy said: I think Halloween Kills is the weak link in the trilogy tbh The plot shakeup in Halloween Ends to pay homage to Season of the Witch was brave and cool asf imo Halloween Ends had no business trying to end a storyline that’s been going for 50 years with Cory Cunningham. Brave or not, it didn’t work, the film flopped, and it wasn’t the send off Laurie Strode and Michael Myers deserved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughhouse Dandy 10,794 Posted November 17, 2024 Share Posted November 17, 2024 42 minutes ago, JohnWayne92 said: Halloween Ends had no business trying to end a storyline that’s been going for 50 years with Cory Cunningham. Brave or not, it didn’t work, the film flopped, and it wasn’t the send off Laurie Strode and Michael Myers deserved. I thought it did. Cory Cunningham was dope. Sorry you didn't get what you wanted though! With Halloween Ends or Joker 2 I guess lol This is my Hannah Montana™️ lipgloss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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