robboadam 1,940 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 minutes ago, andy232000 said: but out of respect and help to those who felt seen and could follow a similar dark path as him. But wasn’t that exactly what happened when he was cross-interrogating Gary? He realised at that point that at his core he’s a gentle, kind guy, and not the Joker persona. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 9,870 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, robboadam said: But wasn’t that exactly what happened when he was cross-interrogating Gary? He realised at that point that at his core he’s a gentle, kind guy, and not the Joker persona. Kind off, but for me it did not land. Its the only instance in the film where he kinda has that internal struggle. The inteny was there for sure, but it happened too quickly and rushed. I think there needed to be much back and forth between Arthur, Harley and his lawyer about whether or not Joker was real, and actually see Arthur conflicted and torn apart about it. And even so, its in the cross-interrogations that the movie bashed the people who support joker. Thats still an issue for me. It felt elitist like almost saying yeah, Joker is a loser and people who don’t think that are also losers, and those who admire him are precisely people who the system failed them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robboadam 1,940 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 minutes ago, andy232000 said: And even so, its in the cross-interrogations that the movie bashed the people who support joker. Thats still an issue for me. It felt elitist like almost saying yeah, Joker is a loser and people who don’t think that are also losers, and those who admire him are precisely people who the system failed them. But…..the Joker is a murderer. He’s not exactly someone to idolise. I get feeling sorry for Arthur, but it’s always troubling when people empathise with the Joker. Like, u ok hun? 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robboadam 1,940 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Plus the whole movie was supposed to be a Charles Manson-esque portrayal. Like, what will people do for an idol that shouldn’t be idolised? In a way it’s perfect for 2024, but maybe it’s all too current to be appreciated. 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 9,870 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Just now, robboadam said: But…..the Joker is a murderer. He’s not exactly someone to idolise. I get feeling sorry for Arthur, but it’s always troubling when people empathise with the Joker. Like, u ok hun? Thats exactly the point i would’ve loved for them to make in a much clearer way!! He isn't someone to idolize, but society is a bit dense and I think the script needed to make it more abundantly clear as to why he should not be loved. They spent the first half trying to pass it off as some sort of mental illness, and when Arthur decides he isn’t joker there is no big epiphany nor monologue to drive the point home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fck I luv Art 914 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Hum... The only thing that ppl didn't liked in this sequel was that it's a cautionary tale and not a glorification of incel culture. Zombified 🧟♀️ and Notorious Being 🌟 1 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 24,869 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 It's definitely not as bad as people are making it out to be at the moment, it's more like one big missed opportunity. I'll go see it again tomorrow to hopefully form an opinion that's not tainted by the initial disappointment. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumzy3000 6,925 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I was actually excited that it was going to be a musical. I thought they were going to do something daring and bold, that it would enhance their characters and the plot. Well I was wrong. The songs did nothing and just added screentime. They came at the worst time and not one of them was memorable or visually stunning. The story was actually okay in the beginning but it started to get worse as the movie progressed, and the ending was horrible. I kept thinking what the overall message was and what the movie was trying to say. There seems to have been so many ideas they were tackling as it relates to media, class struggle, love, identity, but nothing was taken to the finish line. It felt half assed. And again, whenever something interesting was starting to happen, an unnecessary song would start. I really wonder how much of the $200 million budget was spent on marketing, because it certainly did not show in the movie anywhere. trolly troll troll Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 2,710 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Gaga's acting devoured but I got really bored seeing it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cELLO 53,480 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) It isn’t as terrible as everyone is making out, I thought it was okay. But the story left me feeling underwhelmed and unsatisfied after the trailers looked great and it had all the right components to be a brilliant film. It just didn’t go anywhere interesting imo and the musical parts got somewhat tiring Edited October 5 by Cello do i need to understand a pineapple to eat a banana 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanjo 1,928 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 58 minutes ago, maymay said: I went and saw it last night and my expectations were below the crust of the earth due to what I had heard about it. I ended up loving it! I thought it was really good and a nice follow-up to the story! Was it NECESSARY to make a sequel? No! Did I think it was worth the watch? Yes! Of course, it wasn't flawless. There were definitely issues and it absolutely wasn't AS good as the first one, but what's the point in nitpicking when I can just enjoy the movie? Like, my fave came out with a movie AND a new album in the span of one week. I have no complaints. So what do people hate so much about this movie? Are they turned off of it because it's a musical? What do you think? The thing is, not everybody was there as a Gaga fan. Was Gaga a point of interest, of course! But, at the end of the day, there’s still the Joker/DC/superhero fans, and the general public. People want to watch a movie they’ll enjoy, and, sadly, the reviews are so bad. 😭 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bim 371 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 42 minutes ago, elijahfan said: It's definitely not as bad as people are making it out to be at the moment, it's more like one big missed opportunity. I'll go see it again tomorrow to hopefully form an opinion that's not tainted by the initial disappointment. I had similar feelings, and I definitely enjoyed it more on the second watch when I was able to view it more objectively. The part about all of this that bothers me is that it’s on the cusp of being one of the most genius movies/musicals ever made, and there are moments when you can taste that for sure. The writing and editing felt like it was someone too scared to just own that it was a musical and have more fun with it, even if it stayed inherently dark. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBL 370 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, tyler k said: the marketing was misleading. there's kinda no plot outside of Arthur's trial. Gaga is severely underused. 100% agree. Seeing the trailers and then the movie I thought I was honestly robbed. I liked it, it was ok. I loved both Joaquin and Gaga’s performance BUT I was seriously expecting something crazier. Although I don’t understand people being like “oh it’s so bad compared to the first movie”. Sorry, no it’s not. It’s got the same vibe and storytelling that I really enjoyed in the first movie and that raw aspect that makes it realistic (compared to so many DC movies). I guess I was just expecting more. Maybe less songs as well? But that’s mainly because it was jazz. I’m honestly fed up with that genre. I would have enjoyed it more if it was a rock or metal musical maybe lmao, idk I just really don’t care for jazz. I know it makes our girl happy and I love when she’s happy but I really don’t want any more jazz from her or from everyone tbh. anyway…. I’m still very proud of her. She’s an amazing artist but now… let’s get back to what she does best and that is pop music. LG7 LET’S GO!!! I’m not real, I’m theatre. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 102,124 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 If you get it you get it. It's not as bad as reviews make it out to be overall but the music was definitely.... not needed although I understand the vision. I would honestly say save your money unless you REALLY wanna see it. Joaquin and Lady Gaga were really good though, the issue with the movie is the script and creative choices along the way. I'd say 5/10 but I'm being generous because the actors saved it somewhat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mike 2,657 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I just saw the film with my parents, and I’m still trying to process it. Gaga’s performance was absolutely mesmerising. I cant understand the extreme negative reactions—it seems to me that it’s because the film doesn’t “give people what they want.” I found it a deeply ambiguous exploration of spectacle, the culture of entertainment, and the escapist illusions that invade reality, like a hallucination or infection. Arthur Fleck’s mind is consumed by spectacle (it’s through this fevered or infected imagination that the musical numbers emerge), and spectacle becomes his evil twin, the Joker. At its core, the film delves into the darker side of entertainment culture, with Arthur’s fractured psyche acting as a mirror for collective madness. The political undertones, especially those connected to contemporary American politics, are obvious without being explicitly stated, trusting the audience to “connect the dots.” The majority of it takes place in the prison where Fleck awaits trial. It’s a film suspended in time, disturbingly “on hold”, leading to a crescendo of explosive intensity. As the tension builds, the film edges into excess, which is why the final moments bring an odd sense of relief. It feels like a true conclusion, with no hint of a sequel, almost rejecting the old saying “the show must go on.” Here, the spectacle doesn’t continue; it ends, giving way to brutal reality—stabbings, flesh, blood. It feels like a pointed, political statement. Well done. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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