Gaga's dad public endorsement for Trump turned me off completely for her new projects

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4 minutes ago, Meruk Holland said:

I can understand your feelings in this regard, and I understand how you've come to this conclusion of contributing to Gaga means contributing to Joe, but I can't say I've come to the same conclusion. I'll go further to say that I think you've been told many times that the disconnect is that Gaga is not responsible for her father's opinions, endorsements, and any political sway he holds. 

But feelings don't care about the facts. You feel that supporting Gaga is, indirectly or otherwise, supporting Joe. And to an extent, that's not incorrect. He's her father. She clearly has love for him. There's the familial bond they share even if they disagree politically. I can't say for sure to what level Gaga would still provide support to him if he asked, but I can't imagine she would provide zero support. 

That being said, it is clear that her politics are still in contrast to his. That she would never endorse Trump. It's disgusting that conservative media are using her name to discredit liberal support for Kamala, and it's equally disgusting that Joe would allow and condone it. But that's between Gaga and him. 

I am among the members of this fandom that are kind of side-eyeing Gaga with her distance from her social and political activism. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I am very critical of how she's been handling her image, her team, her messaging, etc. But I do not believe that her core beliefs have shifted away from where they once stood. I believe she is still profoundly liberal, verging on leftist. 

My personal advice would be that if you are feeling anxious, hostile, or otherwise dysphoric about giving money to her in any capacity, then don't. Pirate her music. Support third-party unofficial merch creators. Her art is reflective of her father's beliefs, only hers. To be honest, even songs she says are written with him in mind, they don't actually have much to do with him, they're her songs and its only her image of him she's writing about, not him as an actual person.

thank you! some people misunderstood me here saying I was somehow saying it is now MORALLY WRONG to support her or something, when I never did. I just said that my PERSONAL feelings changed involuntarily and not seeing her publicly endorsing Kamala plays a part on it too. She probably doesn't want to take any risks when she has so many different projects coming out the same time of the election but she's benefited so much from the gay community to not show us any support when we need it the most and let her dad to use her name like this, is not fair

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1 minute ago, Moon Pix said:

you're going off as if I said it was wrong now to support her like someone else in this thread is saying but I never did that, I said I was PERSONALLY turned off by it and lost the hype and was curious if someone else felt the same. I never said we should be canceling her now

i'm not going off, i'm actually trying to understand your line of thinking so please answer my question: what does that have to do with Gaga and her projects? why are you connecting 2 separate things when there's nothing to connect?

joe's political beliefs have nothing to do with her projects. the only way i can see your side is if her behaviour and beliefs started to drift to the far/right due to her father's influence but it's very, very clear that's not the case

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4 minutes ago, NATAH said:

i'm not going off, i'm actually trying to understand your line of thinking so please answer my question: what does that have to do with Gaga and her projects? why are you connecting 2 separate things when there's nothing to connect?

joe's political beliefs have nothing to do with her projects. the only way i can see your side is if her behaviour and beliefs started to drift to the far/right due to her father's influence but it's very, very clear that's not the case

because like I said she bought him the restaurant and Im sure he's enjoying a better life off her money and events now. and the fact she won't publicly endorse Kamala in this election plays a part on how Im feeling too. Im not saying anyone should feel the same, that's just how I feel. I posted ASKING if people felt the same or not, not PROTESTING for people to do so.

 

so she sees her father using her name to endorse Trump and won't herself use her platform to endorse Kamala, that doesn't sit right with me

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do you really feel bad for buying lots of merch from Gaga just because she helped her Trump-supporter dad with his restaurant even before trump getting into politics? like, its HER DAD, their politics opinions is not smth to think about when her dad needs her help, because they are FAMILY

a political opinion is not such a big deal for her to break her relationship with her dad

i dont really know how are they doing, but if they are doing bad, im sure is not because of politics, everyone has a different opinion to the rest of the world, and thats smth we all have to accept, i would never stop talking to someone if they vote for someone i dont like, it would be completely pathetic 

would you really stop talking to your dad because of his opinion in politics?

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Just now, Moon Pix said:

because like I said she bought him the restaurant and Im sure he's enjoying a better life off her money and events now. and the fact she won't publicly endorse Kamala in this election plays a part on how Im feeling too. Im not saying anyone should feel the same, that's just how I feel. I posted ASKING if people felt the same or not, not PROTESTING for people to do so.

the restaurant is irrelevant, that happened before trump even entertained the idea of joining the political landscape... a daughter loves her father, so what? and she hasn't endorsed kamala publicly YET. the election hasn't finished yet...

we understand that you posted asking if people feel the same but unfortunately, nobody does cus honestly it's a really silly way to look at things. have you maybe considered your line of thinking is the issue here? 

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7 minutes ago, Joshua81 said:

That's very true. Also FOX is a huge player in this. They want to get this segment to as many people as possible. I'm sure if he asks them not to use his daughter's name, they wouldn't listen. At the same time, I'm sure he 100% knows what he's getting himself into. 

 

Yup, she does mentions that quote, but if it's between That Quote VS Family. Obviously she's gonna choose family. Knowing that she's quite a traditional Italian American, it's definitely family first before everything. I'm Asian and I totally get that. I'll side with my family to the grave no matter what, even if they betray me, because family means a lot to me even if some members of the family do not see it that way. 

I get it but that's still not sticking to what she's preached for in the past. And it seems to me its not because she's choosing family but it's because she's about to release a few different projects tbh...

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11 minutes ago, King of the Fall said:

He was not supportive of her career before she made it big. He changed his tune after his daughter became a star because he wanted to reap the rewards

I'm so sry to call you out, but this is so so wrong!

He and Cynthia were very very supportive from the begining. In fact, it was because the Germanottas were such a tight family unit that Gaga was grounded and had something to fall back on during her immense superstardom and initially downfall from 2009-2014. Without this tight family unit I'm pretty sure she'll make a few wrong decisions midway. 

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5 minutes ago, Moon Pix said:

because like I said she bought him the restaurant and Im sure he's enjoying a better life off her money and events now. and the fact she won't publicly endorse Kamala in this election plays a part on how Im feeling too. Im not saying anyone should feel the same, that's just how I feel. I posted ASKING if people felt the same or not, not PROTESTING for people to do so.

 

so she sees her father using her name to endorse Trump and won't herself use her platform to endorse Kamala

She bought him that place ages before he started talking about Trump and she liked Taylors post endorsing Kamala, we all know where she stands and Gaga is not dumb enough to think she needs to encourage the kind of fanbase she has not to vote for Donald Trump

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Just now, NATAH said:

the restaurant is irrelevant, that happened before trump even entertained the idea of joining the political landscape... a daughter loves her father, so what? and she hasn't endorsed kamala publicly YET. the election hasn't finished yet...

we understand that you posted asking if people feel the same but unfortunately, nobody does cus honestly it's a really silly way to look at things. have you maybe considered your line of thinking is the issue here? 

we're 30 and some days away from it, she was a lot more active in the last election when she didnt have new projects coming out in the same time. It's not my line of thinking, it's not rational it's just how I feel about it. He uses her name to endorse Trump and she won't even endorse Kamala

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2 minutes ago, SpanishChaosAngel said:

do you really feel bad for buying lots of merch from Gaga just because she helped her Trump-supporter dad with his restaurant even before trump getting into politics? like, its HER DAD, their politics opinions is not smth to think about when her dad needs her help, because they are FAMILY

a political opinion is not such a big deal for her to break her relationship with her dad

i dont really know how are they doing, but if they are doing bad, im sure is not because of politics, everyone has a different opinion to the rest of the world, and thats smth we all have to accept, i would never stop talking to someone if they vote for someone i dont like, it would be completely pathetic 

would you really stop talking to your dad because of his opinion in politics?

her dad having opinion in politics and voting for whoever he wants to (and has the right to do so) is VERY different then using her name and fame to go on a major network to endorse someone

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1 minute ago, Moon Pix said:

we're 30 and some days away from it, she was a lot more active in the last election when she didnt have new projects coming out in the same time. It's not my line of thinking, it's not rational it's just how I feel about it. He uses her name to endorse Trump and she won't even endorse Kamala

She liked Taylors post endorsing Kamala, we know where she stands. Also,the election has not happened yet so she might make a post closer to election day

Edited September 20 by King of the Fall

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Honestly spend your money how you want. That's your prerogative . But it's a bit shortsighted though.

Like you're really not going to support one of the biggest Liberal icons of our time because of her dad's opposing politics? 

Imagine someone withdrawing their donation/support from the born this way foundation over this.

There's no proof out there that would lead anyone to believe Gaga is financially responsible for her parents so the connection is far fetched like people have pointed out 

 

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Just now, King of the Fall said:

She liked Taylors post endorsing Kamala, we know where she stands

how does that help with getting people to vote? you dont think she could (and should) be doing more?

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1 minute ago, Moon Pix said:

we're 30 and some days away from it, she was a lot more active in the last election when she didnt have new projects coming out in the same time. It's not my line of thinking, it's not rational it's just how I feel about it. He uses her name to endorse Trump and she won't even endorse Kamala

30 days is still a lot of time for her to endorse so don't jump the gun

i think your inability to consider that you might be in the wrong here is what's holding you back lol

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18 minutes ago, King of the Fall said:

He was not supportive of her career before she made it big. He changed his tune after his daughter became a star because he wanted to reap the rewards

excuse me but no

gagas music career literally starts with her father helping her to become a musician, when she started doing drugs before being Gaga, her father is the one who helped her, the one who supported to become who she is