Locke 302 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 If you have read the interviews you would know that the budget of Joker 2 was never '$200 million'. In the interview with Variety, 'though Phillips admits “Folie à Deux” was much more expensive (than the first one), he says reports of its budget hitting $200 million are “absurd.”' https://variety.com/2024/film/features/todd-phillips-joker-2-movie-interview-1236111122/ Then, for people who is concerned about Gaga's future acting career, so far she has been praised in all three films. HoG is a dud for Ridley Scott but not for Gaga. Box office wise, HoG was the highest grossing adult drama of the pandemic era. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Lovers 6,449 Posted September 13 Author Share Posted September 13 7 hours ago, Stephen said: Some movies like Alien Romulus are allowed to open modestly and attract more audiences in their 2nd or 3rd weekends by word of mouth. Other movies like Joker must open huge or have massive tracking and 90+ on RT or else they're preemptively labeled failures. Unfortunately FAD comes with a built in hatebase: Lady Gaga haters Joaquin Phoenix haters (worsened by his recent controversy) Todd Phillips haters Haters of the first Joker Film twitter (who hate Todd and the first Joker) Marvel-loyalists who hate DC Snyder-loyalists who hate DC General audiences who are tired of DC Musical haters People rooting for competing films to "win" either at the BO or awards All these people aren't the reason for the bad RT score, but they amplify it. They wait like vultures ready to desecrate the movie's public image and holler from the rooftops how Joker is a commercial and critical failure. It's exponentially more difficult for any movie to organically grow in peace while it's being suffocated by a hate mob. I'm still optimistic because I loved the first movie, I love DC and I love Gaga. There's almost no way I'm going to dislike it. And if it's good, we just have to trust that people will notice. But at this point I'm prepared for the countless celebratory posts dancing on its box office grave no matter how enjoyably the movie actually is. Even if it performs "fine" they will call it a disaster. I’m saying this as someone who does really enjoy the first movie despite it’s faults and wants to see this one do well: Romulus is a bad comparison point. Romulus was a new entry in a franchise that followed an entry that received a heavily mixed response from audiences and significantly underperformed at the box office. It didn’t open modestly, it exceeded all reasonable expectations that were placed upon it. You’re right there are people who want to see FAD fail. I’m not one of them, but I know there are many here. That said, I can’t not report on what is happening with sales and financials, even if it doesn’t turn out well for the film. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Lovers 6,449 Posted September 13 Author Share Posted September 13 6 hours ago, Locke said: If you have read the interviews you would know that the budget of Joker 2 was never '$200 million'. In the interview with Variety, 'though Phillips admits “Folie à Deux” was much more expensive (than the first one), he says reports of its budget hitting $200 million are “absurd.”' https://variety.com/2024/film/features/todd-phillips-joker-2-movie-interview-1236111122/ Then, for people who is concerned about Gaga's future acting career, so far she has been praised in all three films. HoG is a dud for Ridley Scott but not for Gaga. Box office wise, HoG was the highest grossing adult drama of the pandemic era. I will happily update it’s actual budget figure if they ever care to share that, but at this moment they have not and every trade is still maintaining $200 million. Until that shifts and we get an actual figure, I cannot take Todd’s word for it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality 71,882 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 13 hours ago, River said: Can I be honest, musical or not musical, I'm really really not in the mood for 16 songs, it's really a deal breaker for me, I could resist to ASIB because the music had a reason to be there, but still, I got bored when the songs hit the 1 minute.. I think the majority of the people, especially the superheroes and comics fans thinks the same. It might be an amazing film, but the concept is not really inviting and them trying to "unmusical" it, feels forced and sometimes kinda offending the viewers intelligence. Do we know if they'll be singing 16 songs in full, though? I think a few of them will have big, spectacular musical numbers, but most of them are probably going to be woven into the dialogue. And I think that the music does have a reason for being there. In the first film, Todd Phillips described Arthur as a "musical" person. There were several scenes exhibiting that (e.g., the bathroom scene after he shoots the people in the subway and the iconic stairwell scene). He also had hallucinations in the first film, most notably imagining his relationship with Zazie Beetz's character. The musical direction of this film doesn't feel forced at all. It may be surprising to some people, but it's really a natural step from the first movie. However, I agree that them trying to "unmusical" the movie is awful. The fact that Joker 2 is a musical is what makes it unique from every other comic book film in the past few years. They should've played into that more instead of hiding it. In a world where many comic book films have become generic and stale, it would've been nice of them to market this film as something wholly unique. 𝕀𝕗 𝕪𝕠𝕦 𝕨𝕖𝕣𝕖 𝕒 𝕤𝕚𝕟𝕟𝕖𝕣, 𝕀 𝕔𝕠𝕦𝕝𝕕 𝕞𝕒𝕜𝕖 𝕪𝕠𝕦 𝕓𝕖𝕝𝕚𝕖𝕧𝕖 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson123 35,636 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 I don’t know where to put this or make a new thread but there’s new clips of Lee and the first seconds shows the face she made when fans were waving at her on the street. Look at her face oh my god. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Tewvba2N7bYxdbK9/?mibextid=UalRPS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leblanc 2,412 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 Nothing says pre era to me more than little panickers coming out of the woodwork before a release Gets me kinda excited Coven Season 6 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 30,267 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 3 hours ago, Future Lovers said: I’m saying this as someone who does really enjoy the first movie despite it’s faults and wants to see this one do well: Romulus is a bad comparison point. Romulus was a new entry in a franchise that followed an entry that received a heavily mixed response from audiences and significantly underperformed at the box office. It didn’t open modestly, it exceeded all reasonable expectations that were placed upon it. You’re right there are people who want to see FAD fail. I’m not one of them, but I know there are many here. That said, I can’t not report on what is happening with sales and financials, even if it doesn’t turn out well for the film. Totally and I wasn't directing my comments toward you coverage I don't know much about Romulus tbh just attempting to highlight how some movies have narratives thrust upon them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen 30,267 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 2 hours ago, Reality said: Do we know if they'll be singing 16 songs in full, though? I think a few of them will have big, spectacular musical numbers, but most of them are probably going to be woven into the dialogue. And I think that the music does have a reason for being there. In the first film, Todd Phillips described Arthur as a "musical" person. There were several scenes exhibiting that (e.g., the bathroom scene after he shoots the people in the subway and the iconic stairwell scene). He also had hallucinations in the first film, most notably imagining his relationship with Zazie Beetz's character. The musical direction of this film doesn't feel forced at all. It may be surprising to some people, but it's really a natural step from the first movie. However, I agree that them trying to "unmusical" the movie is awful. The fact that Joker 2 is a musical is what makes it unique from every other comic book film in the past few years. They should've played into that more instead of hiding it. In a world where many comic book films have become generic and stale, it would've been nice of them to market this film as something wholly unique. You are spot on! Agreed on everything. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edonis 28,624 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 just read that the the predictions dropped to 60 million can anyone confirm if this has been reported by any major outlet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Lovers 6,449 Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 (edited) 6 hours ago, Reality said: In a world where many comic book films have become generic and stale, it would've been nice of them to market this film as something wholly unique. For what it’s worth, the film is certainly unique. Just not in a way that I think many audiences are going to be happy about. I’d be happy to be wrong but there’s a few creative swings in here (one in particular) that is gonna be a huge, huge subject of debate and I am really not so sure if it’s gonna go in the movie’s favor. It may! Audiences may be down. But I wouldn’t be shocked if they aren’t. Edited September 14 by Future Lovers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just A Holy Fool 2,424 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 The box office tracking is a bit concerning, however I think it will most likely debut #1, which will be a first for Gaga. This will be a divisive film, and most likely is not going to be an Oscar contender at this point, but sounds like a fun ride. Gaga’s acting career won’t be hurt by this, it will continue to show her versatility. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfonso 1,405 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 I think it will certainly do well at the end. I don't know how the current buzz looks like in the US but almost everyone I know here has already posted about it at least once (once it was announced, the trailer was released or the posters arrived to the movie theaters, etc) and said that they want to see it. Besides that, I think that it will attract a lot of people in the days/weeks after it premieres independently if people end up liking it or not, because it will probably be talked about a lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMonster98 7,255 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 So what is the budget, if it's not 200M i expect around 600m at the box office Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 47,058 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 On 9/13/2024 at 6:04 AM, RAMROD said: I already got my worries after initial reactions by fans who attended Venice. I'll reserve judgement, (and meltdown), after I see it myself end of this month. Were fan reviews bad as well? Gezz first HOG now Joker 2... She got off to a strong start with ASIB but now she keeps starring in critical mediocrity films Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatfoxyfeeling 12,684 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 9/14/2024 at 5:50 PM, Economy said: Were fan reviews bad as well? Gezz first HOG now Joker 2... She got off to a strong start with ASIB but now she keeps starring in critical mediocrity films Gurl a "critical mediocrity film" is something like Uglies that just debuted on Netflix. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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