2024's First Presidential Debate - Discussion Thread

[Phoenix Rises 954]

yikes,hes showing his age and this is gonna come down to margins ,my governor was gonna be VP in 2020 shed be a great first woman president Gretchen Whitmer.  

[Ladle Ghoulash 54,010]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rises said:

yikes,hes showing his age and this is gonna come down to margins ,my governor was gonna be VP in 2020 shed be a great first woman president Gretchen Whitmer.  

I want Whitmer to be the nominee so bad 😭

[MelbHawker 6,583]

The Democrats have basically handed Trump the presidency by keeping Biden in his role.. he’s too unwell for the top job. 

[RenegAde 20,560]

Yikes

[Monstermilo 5,473]

they need to replace him with NEWSOM, thats the only way we win 

still pissed someone who was charged with 34 criminal charges is able to still run

[Monstermilo 5,473]

1 hour ago, SlowLoris said:

The Dems chose the worst candidate they possibly could.  Again.

HOW ARE THEY SO INEPT, SPINELESS AND INCAPABLE???????

usually the incumbent always goes for the second term, its rare that they dont and he did win in 2020, but i agree they shouldve chosen someone else - **** literally anyone else

[Perfect Celebrity 1,617]

We’ve known for a while that Dems need to change candidates for a chance to win. After tonight, that’s now crystal clear. There’s still time to do that, but Biden will need to put his ego aside to serve his country. He’s done a great service for the country, but things are going to need to change to save his dignity. 

[PartySick 172,975]

10 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

they need to replace him with NEWSOM, thats the only way we win 

still pissed someone who was charged with 34 criminal charges is able to still run

Not sure why everyone's pushing him when even Californians don't care for him, let alone any conservative or moderate that has this warped idea of CA (and its politicians) being socialists.

Biden's the only choice right now. Replacing him would be a huge sign of weakness for the Democratic party, we'd surrender the incumbency boost, and we'd throw away a candidate that already beat Trump once just months before he has the opportunity to do it again.

Y'all need to take a breath and calm down tbh.

[PartySick 172,975]

25 minutes ago, MelbHawker said:

The Democrats have basically handed Trump the presidency by keeping Biden in his role.. he’s too unwell for the top job. 

They haven't and he isn't.

Even Republicans in congress say he's sharp, quick witted, intelligent, etc.

Don't let your perception take precedence over the truth.

He's old, not senile.

[Monstermilo 5,473]

13 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Not sure why everyone's pushing him when even Californians don't care for him, let alone any conservative or moderate that has this warped idea of CA (and its politicians) being socialists.

Biden's the only choice right now. Replacing him would be a huge sign of weakness for the Democratic party, we'd surrender the incumbency boost, and we'd throw away a candidate that already beat Trump once just months before he has the opportunity to do it again.

Y'all need to take a breath and calm down tbh.

girl that debate performance was the worst weve seen in decades. 

people do not get how inflation works and are blaming him for how expensive everything is, we need a new dem to beat trump. 

a lot of democrats do not like how bidens handled israel - we need someone new LITERALLY ANYONE 

if we continue with biden we will 100% lose in november 

people on both sides are tired of biden and if he had done well tonight, it mightve been fine but its so clear to see he is way too ****ing old to be in charge of this country

if we stick with biden - trump will for sure win, incumbency boost would only be helpful if we had a viable candidate and this debates proven biden isnt competent and i say this as a die hard liberal. sometimes we gotta be reasonable. this man was in a dementia/alzheimers episode tonight and it was painful to watch 

[Monstermilo 5,473]

i dont think people understand how biden has very little support. most of the data shows that he was trailing before the debate and this **** show will for sure put trump ahead ...... when obama was the incumbent in 2012, he still had a good amount of support from people on the left - biden does not

[PartySick 172,975]

12 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

people do not get how inflation works and are blaming him for how expensive everything is, we need a new dem to beat trump. 

Some voters' incorrect perception is not enough to get Trump across the finish line

13 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

a lot of democrats do not like how bidens handled israel - we need someone new LITERALLY ANYONE 

80% of American voters stand firmly in support of Israel. And when they polled young voters about Gaza, the majority of them care demonstrably more about domestic concerns like wages, taxes, immigration, gun control, women's rights, LGBT rights, racial equity, etc.

It's not enough of a make or break issue to cost him the election, it doesn't matter what a bunch of chronically online people calling him "Genocide Joe" think, especially not when they're risking Trump who will absolutely throw the entire weight of the US behind Israel's genocide.

20 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

people on both sides are tired of biden and if he had done well tonight, it mightve been fine but its so clear to see he is way too ****ing old to be in charge of this country

That's not true either

23 minutes ago, Monstermilo said:

if we stick with biden - trump will for sure win, incumbency boost would only be helpful if we had a viable candidate and this debates proven biden isnt competent and i say this as a die hard liberal. sometimes we gotta be reasonable. this man was in a dementia/alzheimers episode tonight and it was painful to watch 

Except that even his Republican opponents in congress call him witty, sharp, and intelligent behind closed doors. Don't drink the MAGA kool-aid, the guy's a terrible orator and he's gotten physically slow in his old age but he's more than capable of finishing another term.

Stop catastrophizing. The American public is stupid but not so stupid they'll look past felonies, covid, the worst economy in 100 years, and just how awful of a man Trump is all because Biden stutters and has a funny look on his face.

I'm still confident Biden will eek out a victory simply because his opponent is *insert enormous list of Trump's problems here*. It might be a nailbiter but what doesn't help is everyone saying we should abandon the strongest hand we have.

[RenegAde 20,560]

The crimes, The lies, The delusion, The incoherence. This was such a mess. It was kinda fun watching two grandpas throwing petty shade and low jabs. But at a presidential debate though?

I'm so sorry guys but yall deserve better and I wish both sides could drop the egos and demand better candidates, democrats atleast should have the competence to do so.

 

[RenegAde 20,560]

Just seems like political structures globally are such a mess I can't 

[StarstruckIllusion 53,579]

Sigh