Dennis 8,391 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, Leblanc said: I'm worried just how little humanity exists online these days I mean it's not even humanity. Lack of empathy for horrible people is expected. I'm not going to feel sorry for this man. Nonetheless, I wouldn't go as far as celebrating it or condoning it like some people are doing here. The worst part of it all, is that these people larp as "progressives" I thought progressivism is about increasing human rights, strengthening justice and equal application of the law, not condoning extrajudicial killings, but I guess I'm a "fake progressive". The true way is administring justice ISIS style! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llemesm 2,185 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 ElsaMars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatography 10,186 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Roronoa said: This thread is a great study on human nature. We are inherently violent, question is where do we draw the line? when you willingly kneel on someone’s neck, killing them coldly, and i HIGHLY doubt that was the first time of excessive force, it’s hard to feel bad for him at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatography 10,186 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 people that blindly look towards what the justice system or courts say are so misguided. what about all the racist laws that used to be in effect? mistakes in sentencing? when weed suddenly didn’t become as big as an offense so people who served 20 years would get near nothing now? relying on the justice system, which is already corrupt, to make the right decision is naive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanlittlem 49,652 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, Dennis said: I thought progressivism is about increasing human rights, strengthening justice and equal application of the law, not condoning extrajudicial killings, but I guess I'm a "fake progressive". The true way is administring justice ISIS style! Not you trying to stir sh*t up when these things and this thread have no correlation. No one here is celebrating him being stabbed but we just don't care if he was stabbed or rots in jail. Of course there's people in jail undeservedly but we all know he ain't one of them so we couldn't care any less about what happens to him. Can't wait to see this thread get locked, and don't bother replying 'cause I won't even read it Estàvem al cel, ara estem a l'infern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Leblanc said: I'm worried just how little humanity exists online these days I have 0 interest in the showing humanity to murderers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leblanc 2,503 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, Agunimon said: I have 0 interest in the showing humanity to murderers. I won't lose my soul in this world no matter how bad it gets Coven Season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leblanc 2,503 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Dennis said: I mean it's not even humanity. Lack of empathy for horrible people is expected. I'm not going to feel sorry for this man. Nonetheless, I wouldn't go as far as celebrating it or condoning it like some people are doing here. The worst part of it all, is that these people larp as "progressives" I thought progressivism is about increasing human rights, strengthening justice and equal application of the law, not condoning extrajudicial killings, but I guess I'm a "fake progressive". The true way is administring justice ISIS style! I think you better explained how I felt than I did Coven Season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Chromatography said: people that blindly look towards what the justice system or courts say are so misguided. what about all the racist laws that used to be in effect? mistakes in sentencing? when weed suddenly didn’t become as big as an offense so people who served 20 years would get near nothing now? relying on the justice system, which is already corrupt, to make the right decision is naive No, what is naive is to think that the mob rule justice is better. Yes there were and still are shortcomings for the justice system, but doesn't mean you throw it all out of the window. This is problem with this extremist ideology, rather than improve/reform things, they just wanna tear everything down. He got convicted of every crime he was charged with and received 21 year prison sentence in accordance with the statutory guidelines of the state. That's the end of it, unless y'all wanna implement the death penalty, which I personally oppose across the board. "mistakes in sentencing" no **** buddy, that's why I oppose the death penalty among other things, because no justice system is perfect. But if you're concerned about "mistakes in sentencing" the last thing you should be advocating for is mob rule, people taking justice into their own hands and carrying out the killing in the name of "justice", because that's what will cause a LOT OF MISTAKES in sentencing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,157 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 16 hours ago, Dennis said: I hope the attacker gets his prison sentence extended. Regardless of how evil this man is, justice was served and he received his prison sentence. What's difficult about being pro-human rights is that you have to believe in them as a right even for your worst enemy. I don't believe in the death penalty, and I definitely don't believe in trying to extrajudicially take out someone's life who's already in prison. It's not a surprise that some people from the far left celebrate this news though. It's following a trend that we've been seeing recently; everything is justified for them now, violence, terrorism, stabbings, extrajudicial "murder", all in the name of a version of "justice" only they get to decide. Ur not alone. I agree with u. He deserved this. But part of being a civilized society imo is also knowing how to be consistent with the law without letting emotion start to dictate how one is punished. Otherwise politics and sensitive issues can suddenly start to make some individuals punished harder than others. Theres ppl who commit pre-meditated murder which in my opinion is worse than this and ppl dont necessairily rejoice if they were stabbed in prison when already facing a long sentence. Nor would they get as much media attention and hate. This gets ppls feelings extra worked up because of the political and systemic issues behind it. Thats what makes ppl extra angry. Its not just the man who killed george floyd. Ppl are also angry at the systemic racism as a whole. Him becoming a symbol of it, makes him bear the brunt of hate of what that represents as well, not just his individual act. And thats why emotion and justice & vengeance becomes a delicate thing Im not gonna feel sorry for him given what he did.... But im not gonna gonna laugh and rejoice either. And i dont feel like arguing with someone who thinks I should be partying, if thats ur opinion fine, i got my own code in morality that not every single person agrees with and it is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,157 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Chromatography said: people that blindly look towards what the justice system or courts say are so misguided. what about all the racist laws that used to be in effect? mistakes in sentencing? when weed suddenly didn’t become as big as an offense so people who served 20 years would get near nothing now? relying on the justice system, which is already corrupt, to make the right decision is naive It is corrupt. But id argue human emotion is even more corrupt and inconsistent. If we started to let mob rule on justice, ud get all kinds of inconsistencies and extremes based on the thinking of the times and what issues were angrying ppl the most given anything political makes ppl extra on edge than anything else that isnt. Theres a reason ppl get more angry on the internet when someone misgenders someone is discovered to be a serial killer. Not to downplay misgendering in anyway but seriously which one is worse? But why does the former get a more angry response? Ppl are incapable of not projecting political frustrations of an issue on specific situations which results in inconsistencies in how severely ppl get angry at an issue in proportion to how serious it actuall is Also to ur week point, i really If mob rulled... ppl smoking weed would also still been judged harshly in the past given such a high percentage of ppl looked down on it as such a severe crime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlepotter 76,625 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Dennis said: I mean terrorists when they behead people, burn people alive, cut off people's hands etc, they genuinely believe that they're doing these things to "evil people". When George W Bush people legalized waterboarding and torture, they thought they were doing these things to "evil people". If you believe that because someone in jail is evil, no "punishment is too small" for them and everything is allowed, what exactly differentiates civilized people from terrorists then? Let's go back to medieval times, bring back torture and all sorts of stuff? Is that what you want? If you believe in due process and human rights then you have to grant them even to the worst people. That's why the worst criminals also have lawyers. But maybe you don't believe in that at all, in which case yeah you can try to live in many of the countries that don't have "these fake ideals" and enjoy it there. People are absolutely right to shrug off this news or not have empathy towards him, but going as far as celebrating it or encouraging it is a different story. You love to quote me and put words in my mouth lmao. I dont believe in death sentences and using violence to deal with everything. But like if someone abused your child, would you be sad if someone stabs them in prison? Would you ask for their sentence to be extended? This is one very specific case where it's just so hard to feel bad for a man getting stabbed due to him having done something horrifying in front of the whole world. To jump to his defense is just unhinged. chaeri pls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 What makes someone being progressive (which I would not say I am, though I do advocate for equal social rights, I align more center in the political spectrum) and makes them suddenly not capable of feeling a sense of vindication in a case such as this? People are more complex than their political values and most do not identify as their political values, but vote with them in mind. But that being said, it's not as if this was an under the radar case. It made waves at its time and resonated with a lot of people, so much so that it sparked protests. It was a big cultural shift in our generation. I'm sure the family and friends of George Floyd also felt a sense of happiness upon learning this news. What do you have to say to them? Or are they allowed to feel that way since they personally knew the man? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis 8,391 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, littlepotter said: You love to quote me and put words in my mouth lmao. I dont believe in death sentences and using violence to deal with everything. But like if someone abused your child, would you be sad if someone stabs them in prison? Would you ask for their sentence to be extended? This is one very specific case where it's just so hard to feel bad for a man getting stabbed due to him having done something horrifying in front of the whole world. To jump to his defense is just unhinged. Well you said the person who did it should get rewarded ("have their sentence reduced") and "no punishment is too small". So it's not the fact that you didn't feel bad for him that was the problem, it was the fact you were approving/encouraging this action. So those are the words that I was quoting directly. If you want to rephrase what you meant, great! I'm not here to argue with you. As long as we agree that mob rule and death penalties is not the proper way to administer justice, then we're good. And yes no one saying that you should feel bad for them. I only drew the line at encouraging mob justice or cruel punishment for crimes someone is already serving a prison sentence for. As for your point about families, well yes that's why families of victims don't decide the verdict and the sentence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 53,157 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, littlepotter said: You love to quote me and put words in my mouth lmao. I dont believe in death sentences and using violence to deal with everything. But like if someone abused your child, would you be sad if someone stabs them in prison? Would you ask for their sentence to be extended? This is one very specific case where it's just so hard to feel bad for a man getting stabbed due to him having done something horrifying in front of the whole world. To jump to his defense is just unhinged. I do not believe anyone here has expressed sadness or feeling sorry for him. The disagreement between users seems to be mainly should u rejoice and be happy about this or not If u dont rejoice (like me) and look down on doing that, i dont think that automatically has to mean u feel sorry for him either Ppl might argue why waste energy saying this instead of george floyd as they always do. But this is GGD, a very progressive leaning website as a general rule. I dont think whether what happened was a terrible and despicable and a systemic issue really needs to be debated here. 99% of ppl here should be in agreement about that already and anyone that isnt is a rare outlier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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