Is AI output art?

[tomsches 17,392]

No. To me, one important factor that makes something Art to me is the feeling of astonishment when you think about how a human being was able to come up with something so beautiful or scary or whatever. Like, how was Monet able to paint like that? How was Shakespeare able to write like that, Mozart to compose like that etc. 

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52 minutes ago, Hold my Manjobi said:

I mean you can only sort of make an argument that ai-generation is a medium for creating art, as much as it pains me to say that. one of the defining characteristics of art is the intention of the artist. that's what separates literal random scribbles when your pen doesn't work from what people call random scribbles in an art gallery or a pile of bricks in an exhibition from the construction site down the street.

but on the other side... there's no creation involved on the part of the person putting in the prompts for the ai generator. you could say there's a skill to delivering the correct prompts to manipulate it to potentionally give it what you want, but the person is completely at the mercy of what the ai-generator can string together from other sources.

I don't disagree with any of that. Personally, I would not consider something made by AI "art". I think art is the creative expression of human emotions/experiences. There is no meaning or intention behind what a computer is able to generate.

But at the same time, I wouldn't necessarily tell anyone differently if they thought it was art. Art is completely subjective and even when things are made by humans, people still differ about whether or not they think it's "art". You talk about the random scribbles or the pile of bricks, and to you and me, we might consider that art. But to someone else, no matter what the artist's original intention was, they don't consider that art. A lot of people, particularly a lot of people who don't understand the subjectivity of art, won't look at anything that's not aesthetically pleasing as "art". Some people think it's beyond intention and that you have to be a technically proficient painter, sculptor, animator, etc. to create "art".

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15 minutes ago, Reality said:

I don't disagree with any of that. Personally, I would not consider something made by AI "art". I think art is the creative expression of human emotions/experiences. There is no meaning or intention behind what a computer is able to generate.

But at the same time, I wouldn't necessarily tell anyone differently if they thought it was art. Art is completely subjective and even when things are made by humans, people still differ about whether or not they think it's "art". You talk about the random scribbles or the pile of bricks, and to you and me, we might consider that art. But to someone else, no matter what the artist's original intention was, they don't consider that art. A lot of people, particularly a lot of people who don't understand the subjectivity of art, won't look at anything that's not aesthetically pleasing as "art". Some people think it's beyond intention and that you have to be a technically proficient painter, sculptor, animator, etc. to create "art".

that brings up an intriguing possibility... in the future as technology progresses, will people who don't consider AI-generated images to be art today be in the same group of people who didn't consider rap, rock, and jazz, Warhol, impressionism, or even painting to be art when they entered the zeitgeist

[Plastic Flower 4,828]

No. 

[sillynate 6,170]

Yes definitely. Remember a few years back when gags said “there’s a Renaissance coming” ?? this is the start of it. I personally love listening to AI song covers as a “what if” situation (because let’s be honest Madonna is never gonna cover Hips Don’t Lie) 

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hm... I would have to say yes. Art is so wide and covers so much. Marina sitting at a table doing nothing is art, yet a beautiful visual/film/audio made by a machine is not? I disagree! I don't think it's talented art, I would not celebrate someone for putting a prompt into an AI machine, but it is still art. 

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1 hour ago, Reality said:

I think art is the creative expression of human emotions/experiences

You just made every painting elephant insecure!

but on that note I believe they got to that point through extreme abuse so I support elephants not making art lol

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8 minutes ago, weed said:

You just made every painting elephant insecure!

but on that note I believe they got to that point through extreme abuse so I support elephants not making art lol

I know this post is mostly a joke, but honestly, that's an interesting point of conversation too. Is art exclusive to human experiences or can an animal create art? Even if it has no discernible intention/motivation behind it?

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56 minutes ago, Hold my Manjobi said:

that brings up an intriguing possibility... in the future as technology progresses, will people who don't consider AI-generated images to be art today be in the same group of people who didn't consider rap, rock, and jazz, Warhol, impressionism, or even painting to be art when they entered the zeitgeist

Yeah, as technology continues to evolve, it'll be interesting to track our beliefs on it. But to be honest, I think AI, in general, is very sensationalized by both sides.

[Vicixs 3,465]

I don’t think it’s art, but a potential new tool for artists! I love the fact that I’ve been able to extend imagoes significantly past the original!

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39 minutes ago, Reality said:

I know this post is mostly a joke, but honestly, that's an interesting point of conversation too. Is art exclusive to human experiences or can an animal create art? Even if it has no discernible intention/motivation behind it?

Idk it's so complex! I think someone could pick up a leaf, and call it art. But at the same time I'm like.. it wasn't art until a human decided to call it so! Idk lol 

[hELXIG 42,961]

No. Art is an expression given form by an artist, to be received and felt by an audience/viewer. This is just machine generated 

I supposed people can use AI as a tool to create art.. but imo that doesn't really require talent or creativity...

Except.. this one girl on TikTok who used an AI art generating filter on herself, then she painted the result, then used the AI on the result, and painted that, until she had a whole series of images slightly changed by the AI. I thought that was really cool. It had feeling, it felt creative, it felt like it had something to say

[monstrosity 3,943]

nah, if we open the meaning of art to AI so then all non-human output could be called art, which negates what art is imo, which is essentially human. Like it would mean nature is art.

Maybe if you’re into religion (in the large sense) that would make sense, but that would only be bc you (wrongly imo) give human attributes to science/AI/nature (through some deity for example)

Imo, AI, like nature, is science. Science is what it is period. Sure it can be moving surprising funny deep breathtaking bla-bla-bla.

Also for me there’s the question of intent, can something be art if it’s not thought and created as art in the first place?

Bc AI, like nature, has no intent to create art, or even to create something beautiful or pleasing: it’s not an thoughtful entity, it just happens.

and not because it wants to happen or exist, it just does, it does not want. For AI specifically, it exists to give us what we want in a way that’s easy and efficient for us, and if we want something that’s beautiful then it’ll give us that, (but not bc AI itself finds it beautiful whatsoever, it’s just calculations, bc AI is not a thoughtful thing, it’s just science)

like if you think an equation is art then AI or science at whole must be art sure

This is not to say AI cannot feed your soul: art has absolutely no monopoly on this

+ as a disclaimer idk yet in what ways defining what is art or not is useful so maybe we’re just loosing our energy instead of vibing with and enjoying art, nature and/or AI

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also hozier eats up grimes, she just be saying anything to pass as nerdy-technoy-artsy